College Grad Can't Find Job; Sues School

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  1. retake

    retake New Member

  2. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    For many people, going to college is a dream -- and what price can be put on a dream? It's all about supply and demand. If the demand slacks off, then so will for-profit schools, as well as not-for-profit schools.

    70k is a bit much for a Bachelors degree. :rolleyes: My RA doctorate was at a for-profit school and was only 21k, although the price has gone up significantly since then.
     
  3. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    About 25 years ago, an MBA graduate went on a shooting rampage because he couldn't find a job -- and he felt that his MBA qualified him to find a job. A degree isn't a panacea; it's just one tool in the toolbox, to include demeanor, personality, social intelligence, personality, resume, dress, et al.
     
  4. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    It is hard to take people like this serious. By the way, would you ever hire her if she is so quick to sue. I don’t hear of AIG getting sued by people because they lost their jobs. If she does sue and they give her back the money, will she give back the degree, and record of her attending, and the knowledge gained? :eek:
     
  5. cookderosa

    cookderosa Resident Chef

    "they have not tried hard enough to help me"

    maybe her entitlement attitude is coming out during interviews lol. I stand on this soap box a lot, but colleges generically DO sell career preparation/advancement along with the degree. I know nothing about Monroe, but when is the last time you saw a college pop up ad promising enrichment and personal insight in exchange for your student loan debt?
     
  6. rcreighton

    rcreighton New Member

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    Well, Danny, the world needs ditch diggers too.
     
  7. perrymk

    perrymk Member

    The local community/technical college use to have a money back guarantee. I thought it was a clever gimmick. I don't know if they still offer that.
     
  8. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Probably not. :rolleyes:
     
  9. cookderosa

    cookderosa Resident Chef

    I have been looking, but can't seem to find a similar offer. One of the nursing programs I looked at earlier this year offered unlimited free classes if you didn't pass your nursing exam upon graduation. Not really money back though.
     
  10. thomaskolter

    thomaskolter New Member

    Oddly for profit schools are filling a need. People need the degree to even get a job and many wouldn't do well in a brick & mortar traditional college if they could even get in. I'm not an elitist but it does take certain academic skills to do work at the college level at a traditional liberal arts school not to mention if your talking about business or the sciences. That would be for a four year degree. Interestingly when my father went to High School he left a fully qualified accountant/bookkeeper and well trained in business skills for entry level work. Going to college was generally expected only for 10% to 15% of his school the best students or star athletes were about it.

    Now you need a bachelors like you once needed a high school diploma so I blame the degree inflation for these schools.

    Another case I can make is there is a massive need for nurses with college degrees and in Florida many for profit nursing programs are starting or were started to meet that need. If they had enough seats in public and other institutions for all the students they would not have these. Is it their fault for starting legal schools to fill gaps?

    But suing the school seems wrong no school from the simplest trade school to MIT can assure a job.
     
  11. retake

    retake New Member

    I agree, but it's not only the schools that are to blame. What about parents, especially those without degrees, who want their kids to get a degree in order to have access to opportunities that they never had?

    My cousin graduated with a civil engineering degree a couple of years ago. His father worked in construction his entire life and couldn't understand why his son didn't make at least $100k his first year out of college. The world is changing and the current generation is working much harder for less money.

    Honestly, if a high school diploma was enough to earn a livable wage, I likely wouldn't pursue a degree. Unfortunately, those days are long gone.
     
  12. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    The younger generation may not have it as good as the older generation for too many reasons to elaborate on here, even if they have a college degree. The manufacturing base of the United States in the 1950s and 1960s provided jobs and pension plans to Americans. The industrial base of the United States has slowly been outsourced to other countries over the last 35 years and, thus, steady jobs that were once plentiful and provided excellent pay and retirement benefits continue to disappear -- and it's the younger generation that will pay the piper.
     
  13. Ian Anderson

    Ian Anderson Active Member

    Seems to me she lacks initiative. Go work in a high staff turnover company like McDonald's or Starbucks - a savy person with a BS could be a supervisor in a few months, a manager within a year, or could start looking at internal opportunities.
    The same applies to any company - get some work experience.
     
  14. imalcolm

    imalcolm New Member

    The Technical College System of Georgia has a "warranty":
    http://www.tcsg.edu/top_10_reasons.php
     
  15. -kevin-

    -kevin- Resident Redneck

    you might find this article of interest:

    Six-Figure Jobs You Don't Need a College Degree For
     
  16. retake

    retake New Member

    Well, real estate brokers and small business owners generally have plenty of money to start with. I'm sure some started with very little and are doing quite well, but it's a rarity.

    Despite what the article says, most air traffic controllers have degrees these days. A bachelors in something aviation related from an FAA approved school is a must since the competition is fierce. Plus, I wouldn't make it through the screening process with my poor vision.

    Being a male, I don't have much interest in fashion design.

    I actually did consider a career in the skilled trades (HVAC, plumbing, steamfitting). However, the only jobs that pay well are typically union. I applied for apprenticeship on three different occasions, but didn't make the cut despite scoring near perfect on the aptitude tests. These jobs go to somebody's brother in law. When it comes to union jobs, it's not what you know. It's who you know.

    Most of the other jobs mentioned in that article require a degree IMO.
     
  17. thomaskolter

    thomaskolter New Member

    Oddly I have many foreign friends one I know in Hong Kong. When he lost his job he started his own business selling DVD's all legitimate by the way to get officially started (the license and tax number) took half a day. And they keep taxes and obligations to a low level compared to the US. I just point this out because if we want to encourage companies and small business which is the largest area of employment the government could make it easy. They choose not to.

    How many people are not self-employed or creating small businesses for due to the demands on meeting layers of regulations and tax burdens? I'm sure corporations have the same concerns meeting local, state and Federal regs likely hurts expanding and keeping costs down.
     
  18. ProfTim

    ProfTim Member

    Most businesses today are still very conservative. I have student's coming through working on degrees in Business Administration or Accounting and I often wonder where they are going to find a job. Young men and women, with tattoos everywhere, more rings and studs in the ears, nose, tongue and who knows where else. These students don't stand a chance in a lot of work settings. I don't teach in the Criminal Justice program but one of my colleagues frequently has to tell some of these student's that our local police force won't hire them because they have tattoos that can't be covered up with a shirt.

    I've also had to have lectures on a proper e-mail account. I got an e-mail note from a student, who didn't identify themselves, and the e-mail address was imahotsexymomma@ . I didn't respond to the e-mail note because I had no idea who they were nor did I know which class they were enrolled.

    A degree, regardless of the institution, is only one of the keys that unlocks a door. What that student does when they walk through that door is entirely up to them. No college or university, should ever guarantee a student that they will have a job upon graduation.
     
  19. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Those are very good points.

    There are many people who just don't get it when it comes to the social acceptance (or lack thereof) of having gigantic, visible and numerous tattoos or lip rings/studs or enlarged nose rings or wearing raggedy jeans to an interview for a high paying management-type job or for a public-service type job. It breaks my heart that some people just don't get it -- and probably never will. They will have to live with the financial consequences of their social decisions. :(

    I once knew a woman with multiple tattoos who dressed in ratty jeans and holy T-shirts -- and she said that if people can't accept her for who she is, then it's their problem. But little does she know that it's her problem too, if she can't secure and hold a job, based on her ill-fit social perspectives and her anti-social dress.

    When in Rome, do as the Romans do. :)
     
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  20. mattbrent

    mattbrent Well-Known Member

    I teach in a very rural high school. The community is rather conservative, yet the students are completely opposite. We have freshmen (yes, 14 year olds) with tattoos. I don't get that at all. But what you say is correct. They don't understand the ramifications of having "Baby" tattooed on their necks or something similar. Unfortunately, we're not allowed to tell them they shouldn't get tattoos or piercings. We can only suggest how employers might percieve them. Of course, when the local McDonald's hires and fires the SAME people repeatedly, the people don't learn. I know a guy who embezzled from a local bank, yet he's now one of the managers at another bank. If these businesses don't check references and such, how will people learn?

    As for email addresses, I've tried to advise my students to get an email address using their name, such as [email protected] or something, and use that one on their applications and resumes. I had a friend in college who's email was [email protected] or something similar and she actually used that email for her resume... It's just absurd.

    -Matt
     

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