Charlie Kirk assassinated at university event in Utah

Trans agenda is radical left isn't it?
The rumor mill and speculations followed immediately, there was a trans saying, on social media, that there was going to be a “big event tomorrow”, the day before Charlie was shot. Another roumor was that Charlie was shot during an individual’s trans question from the crowd - as he always did. This timing of events is odd.
If so, some say there has to be big $$$$$ behind the trans movement.
But that's another discussion.

 

I would advise caution jumping to conclusions. The right-wing media has been trying to blame this on trans people every which way. First they said the shooter was trans, then they said there was “trans ideology” on the bullets, now they are trying to connect it to his trans roommate. Trans people are under attack.









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Bill, see my point exactly here. Lerner is trying to blame trans people and make some grand trans conspiracy.

 

Well I guess "trans agenda" is radical left like anti-semitic or anti black racist agenda was radical left decades ago. But you can hate whoever you want and call it whatever you want.

 

No. I know of no "trans agenda" except for striving for equal treatment under the law. And equal treatment is not "radical left." It is deeply American.

 

I don’t hate trans people. I feel compassion for them. I just happen to disagree about the appropriate age for making a decision about surgery. Disagreement isn’t hate.
As long as the person in pursuit of happiness not hurting other people, it's the freedom we came for when left Soviet Union.

 

Trans people are about the likeliest minority to be poor, homeless, rejected by their family, and violently attacked.

They’re not also a wealthy conspiracy.

 

You are neither a medical professional nor a trans person. If you dont want to get gender affirming care then dont get it.

 

Like everything there can be radicalization. There are debates, and conflicts when it comes to sports, restrooms, and at some point "evangelism" or zealot attempts to normalize it.
It may create confusion among young people. I'm not surprised when people who belive in traditional family resist alternate lifestyles including trans. They want to shield their offspring from such influences.
And yes, there are radicals that see all this as evil and may be abusive.
But the debate should be civil, not violent.

 

So it means I can't have an opinion? Are you such a professional?
My core belive that I try to follow, and failed at times is Love thy neighbor as thyself.
Have you tried to stop someone from doing what you think will harm them?
As a parent you are to protect your kids and even your neighbors kids.
Is it done out of hate or out of love or concern?
What counts is how it's done.

 

You don’t know what you’re talking about. How many trans people do you know well? How many trans people do you love? Where is all this money coming from that is making the trans agenda? What the blankety blankety is a damn trans agenda?

 

You are right, I am not a medical professional, but my stance is informed by the medical community and not fringe right-wing networks.

Withholding medical care from children is fundamentally wrong whether it be vaccines, birth control, abortion, gender affirming care, or any other.

 

I hear you, I read opposing medical opinions.
I'm aware of cons and pros.

 

Bill, I already said it.
The trans agenda is not a unified agenda.
As in every group there are radicals.
But, I love my neighbors, I have no idea who is trans and who is not.

 

Yes, except it is Republicans in general that preach scare tactics against Trans people. He's just listening to them. Just like they used to preach against homosexuals until the SCOTUS made same sex marriage across the country legal. I think Lerner is just parroting that nonsense that he has heard from others in the GOP. For the GOP, being against transsexuals is a "freebie". They tell folks like Lerner that the trans agenda is being pushed by the radical left and the GOP is needed to save the country from them. There aren't many voters that they would turn off with this nonsense and staunch Republicans like Lerner just eat it up without giving it a second thought.

Transsexuals are people. I have a son and a grandson that are trans. They were born female. My son has physically transitioned. My grandson has not. This issue is personal for me. Sixty years ago many trans people would just commit suicide. Now there is hope for them.

 

Yes, there are fringe theories. There are doctors who recommend against vaccination. That does not mean their opinion holds equal weight against the majority of experts in the medical community who recommend vaccination.

It is very simple, leave other people's personal medical decisions to them and their doctor.

 

Agenda is not always a conspiracy.
Throughout history, different groups have acted to gain recognition, acceptance, and rights. While many movements are genuinely about justice and equality, there are always some who hold more radical plans or whose causes are used by others for political purposes. Only very naïve people would dismiss this reality.
The trans community today has strong political allies, largely within the Democratic Party. But that doesn’t mean every trans person is politically active or engaged in activism—many just want to live their lives in peace.
That said, questions of fairness in certain areas—like competitive sports—are legitimate. For example, why should my daughter be expected to wrestle a trans woman whose physiology is male? Unless we create a third category, like mixed-gender wrestling, where participants freely choose to compete, these concerns will continue to spark debate.

 

Still parroting the GOP scare nonsense, I see.

Trans Women in Sports: Facts Over Fear
quote:
Trans people are estimated to make up 1-2% of the population of the United States; however, trans people make up less than less than 0.002% (10/500,000) of US college athletes, and even fewer of recent Olympians (0.001%) identify as trans.
...
When trans people do participate in professional and competitive sports, their participation is carefully regulated by national and international standards to ensure it is fair. We should not be looking to politicians or pundits - many of whom have never been to a women’s sporting event - for guidance on how to regulate women’s sports. It’s important that we consider the opinions of experts and, more importantly, follow the science.

There is decades of research and precedent from medical journals and sports governing bodies that have helped establish clear guidelines to ensure both inclusion and fairness in sports.
...

More recently a 2024 study, funded in part by the IOC and published in the British Journal of Sports Medicine, concluded that transgender women athletes may actually have several physical disadvantages when competing with cisgender women. Some of the study’s key findings:

• Transgender women performed worse than cisgender women in tests measuring lower-body strength
• Transgender women performed worse than cisgender women in tests measuring lung function
• Transgender women had a higher percentage of fat mass, lower fat-free mass, and weaker handgrip strength compared to cisgender men
• Transgender women’s bone density was found to be equivalent to that of cisgender women, which is linked to muscle strength
• There were no meaningful differences found between the two groups’ hemoglobin profiles (a key factor in athletic performance)

Despite all of this evidence, some policy makers continue to scapegoat trans women athletes, prioritizing what they perceive to be winning political narratives over the facts.

Unfortunately, the truth is that these attacks on trans athletes endanger all women by creating an environment of fear, encouraging false allegations, and laying the groundwork for invasive and discriminatory screenings that open the door to abuse—and it’s already happening.
https://www.sf.gov/trans-women-in-sports-facts-over-fear

 

Trans athletes have been participating openly in professional sports with their gender identity for decades. It is likely trans athletes have competing in professional sports longer than that, just not openly.

Intersex athletes have also been very common in professional sports throughout history.

 

I think in some cases it can work.
I also think it's unfair to my daughter.
It feels like someone is cheating.
But in some other sports, it may not be an issue.