Charlie Kirk assassinated at university event in Utah

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  1. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    That was my assumption.

    Obviously because Trump wanted him too.
     
  2. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    Ya, should be condemn.
     
  3. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Because Kirk was on the team.
     
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  4. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Never in my life have I cut off friends or family for having different opinions, no matter how misguided I thought they were. Unfortunately, there are some in the outskirts of my social circle who have been dancing on Charlie's grave, and some more who have seen fit to spread misinformation about both him and his killer. This is an easy line for me to draw. I simply do not feel safe keeping people around me who can so easily dehumanize another flesh-and-blood human being and who think that murder is justified if you don't like the words coming out of another person's mouth.

    I've seen some other crazy things lately. I've seen people who are against the death penalty for rapists and murderers say that shooting Charlie Kirk is an appropriate punishment for the life that he lived. I've seen people claim that his utilitarian arguments for the second amendment meant that he promoted violence and was responsible for causing his own death. I've seen people who think that cops should let themselves be shot to death by criminals say that speech is "violence" and that shooting Charlie Kirk in the neck is an appropriate use of force to stop the "violence" that he committed by debating people on college campuses. I've seen people say that Charlie didn't feel bad for [insert identity group here], therefore we shouldn't feel bad for him (ergo, admitting that they are absolutely no better than they thought he was). I've spent way too much time online over the last few years, and I've been increasingly disgruntled over the degradation of public discourse. Yet, even I wasn't prepared for some of the arrant dreck that has unfortunately come across my eyes.

    I've come to truly hate the internet and what it has done to us.
     
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  5. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The Internet does have a tendency to dehumanize people. Before the Internet if used to also happen but much less frequently. Before these kind of heartless acts were more likely carried out by mentally challenged individuals that had problems like psychosis, narcissism, schizophrenia, anti-social disorder, drug addiction, etc.
     
  6. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Oh, please. Stop with the pearl clutching.

    There will always be fring elements who talk and act extremely. They represent no one.

    Charlie Kirk was an awful person who had an awful thing happen to him. End of story.
     
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  7. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    For decades, universities and online platforms have played significant roles in shaping young adults’ views, sometimes amplifying particular ideological narratives.
    Political extremism exists on both ends of the spectrum, and this case may illustrate how young people can be radicalized—whether online, on campus, or through other social influences—leading to hostility toward fellow Americans.

    Bullet casings, found near the bolt-action rifle that officials say was used, were engraved with messages suggesting the shooter was familiar with online video gaming such as "Helldivers 2", role-playing and anti-extreme nationalism symbolism.
    We see many commentators and online debaters frequently using extreme labels—like calling people fascists—and then act surprised after years of this kind of demonization.
     
  8. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    We see many commentators and online debaters frequently using extreme labels—like calling people fascists—and then act surprised after years of this kind of demonization.
    Some of the commentators, bloggers were let go, others shutdown.
    A visit to YouTube is very revealing, tons of radical incitement.
     
  9. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    I despair of dehumanization.

    Sadly, a complete account of history includes that dehumanization has been promoted both against Charlie Kirk and by Charlie Kirk.

    I concur with Maniac Craniac’s account and criticism of the former.

    On the latter,
    Charlie Kirk Didn’t Shy Away From Who He Was. We Shouldn’t Either. (Jamelle Bouie, The New York Times, September 13, 2025, shared by a Times subscriber)

    Charlie Kirk once said prominent Black women didn't have 'brain processing power' to be taken seriously: He was talking specifically about Michelle Obama, Joy Reid, Sheila Jackson Lee and Ketanji Brown Jackson (Anna Rascouët-Paz, Snopes, September 12, 2025)

    Charlie Kirk in his own words: ‘prowling Blacks’ and ‘the great replacement strategy’ (compiled by Chris Stein, The Guardian, September 12, 2025)
     
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  10. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the quotes. I had never heard any of his ideas before. I knew I probably wouldn’t like what he said. It was way worse than I thought. He’s a misogynist and a racist. No wonder Trump likes him so much.
     
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  11. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    He dropped out of University after a semester…
     
  12. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    Those were some of his worst moments. He has had better moments, and it’s a loss that he won’t be able to have more. I don’t want to fail to humanize him. He said he desired a colorblind society, and platformed women and minority conservatives. He advocated free speech and free markets and encouraged his listeners to be ambitious in politics, business, and family life. His style of events with open microphones to debate him had some self-interest – get a weak challenger, and the speaker can “own the lib” for a viral video; get a strong challenger, and the speaker in the short time left can pivot to something thoughtful or magnanimous but without substantively reassessing their position – but also some civic virtue.
     
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  13. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    EDIT: I deleted the contents of this post myself. It would likely have been taken down anyway had I not. I stand by what I originally said, but I'm self-correcting because the moderators are not above the rules.
     
  14. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    When a friend sent me a text message that Charlie Kirk was assassinated, to be honest, I didn't know who was talking about.
    I went to the internet to get additional info. Even the images didn't ring the bell.
    But I was shocked about the assassination. University scene of indoctrinated radicals willing to be violent was not surprising.
    Regarding the broader concern about extreme violence, it is clear that incidents like the stabbing on a train and machete attacks all show a disturbing violence.
     
  15. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Very well said. Charlie was brash, careless with his words and flippant when it came to the suffering of others. He rubbed me the wrong way and said a lot of really terrible things. But I also saw him change his mind and grow as a person. Not as much as I would have liked, but he DID learn and wasn't some hopeless psychopath. We'll never know how much more he could have changed if he was allowed to live longer than 31 years.

    I've seen some real moments of humanity and humility from him. For personal reasons, this one resonates with me the most:



    It's frustrating that this was something that Charlie had to be educated about. It's a stain on his character that he didnt even try to see what others were experiencing before spouting off at the mouth. However, the fact that he was willing to be corrected is a wonderful thing that should be celebrated.
     
  16. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Like Steve Jobs.
     
  17. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    What? You are comparing his killer to Steve Jobs?
     
  18. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    Charlie Kirk dropped out of college (community college) after one semester, and his suspected killer dropped out of university after one semester (then went to community college), thus the misunderstanding.
     
  19. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Whoops wrong post. Ignore ps.
     
  20. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Charlie Kirk's suspected killer had a girl friend that was born male. That was apparently why he hated Charlie Kirk because of his anti-trans position. His whole family was Republican. He was registered as an independent was my understanding. So the folks trying to blame Democrats seem to be sorely mistaken about this being an attack by a far left radical.
     

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