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Until recent years, many regional accrediting bodies had standards prohibiting member institutions from accepting transfer credit or recognizing degrees from anything other than regionally accredited or foreign schools.

After the American Bar Association was sued by the Justice Department on anti-trust grounds, the ABA changed their standards on this issue. Shortly thereafter, most, if not all of the regionals, removed the limitation on the acceptance of transfer credit and recognition of degrees from unaccredited schools.

This does not mean regionally accredited schools must recognize CCU degrees. It means they can if the choose.

 

Just to clarify, it was John's survey of admissions officials that gave us some insight as to whether or not credits and degrees from unaccredited schools would be acceptable. Just a few of the more-than-300 who responded indicated that their schools would consider such applicants. The vast majority of respondents said they would not. Finding language in school literature that indicates a school might consider such a thing isn't the same as finding cases where it actually accepted credits and degrees from unaccredited schools. Much rarer, I suspect, based on the lack of anecdotal evidence combined with John's survey.

My research--with HR managers--indicates a wide level of acceptance of unaccredited degrees--until the employers find out about accreditation, degree mills, state-licensed schools, etc. Then the level of acceptability drops significantly.

"Some utility"? Yes, indeed.

 

Even a broken watch is right twice a day.

 

I think that there's a third category and that it might be rather large.

Namely, those schools that might, under certain circumstances, if certain conditions are met. A school might have a rule that flatly says 'no', but also have a small-print provision that allows exceptions to be made upon petition.

So my feeling is that possession of a state-approved bachelors degree like Lakers' might not always be 100% fatal to hopes of attending an RA graduate program, but it will expose the student to a lot more hassles and aggravation.

 

I would have to agree!

 

I wonder if the survey was before or after the ABA settled with the Justice Department and the accrediting bodies began to change their formal standards?

 

DETC determined they are ready for the site visit which is now scheduled to occur later this month. Results to be reported at June meeting.

 

David Boyd,

Correct me if I am wrong, but I THINK that the ABA policy on accepting undergraduate degrees and credit for admission went from "regionally accredited" to "regionally or nationally accredited". I don't THINK they went as far as "unaccredited".

Of course, there's always the "catch all" exception.

The ABA also apparently has nothing to say about the source of an applicant's JD for admission to an LLM program.

 

Pasted from a post by Kirkland:

"along with the appropriate testing, will be sufficient to gain admission to further one's education."


I think the statement would be more correct in the following way:

"along with the appropriate testing, will be sufficient to gain admission to a very few schools, in select areas, to further one's education."

I doubt seriously you could get into any area of psychology, counseling, or engineering. But, I could be wrong.

If it isn't accredited, the bottom line is, you better have an understanding up front that what you have is simply an unaccredited degree (one you obtained for personal reasons)...........not worthless, but not of much value either.

 

brilliant

 

And true, unfortunately the only people that will likely recognize it as one of the extremely few unaccredited degrees that represent close to the standard level of academic accomplishment are the people in this forum and other CCU graduates.

 

CCU grads number at 10,000 plus, however, "the people in this forum" number in the hundreds of millions (ie, counting the unregistered lurkers). So, the CCU degree should be recognized by several people.

 

You're right. But ABA schools can accept transfer credit from non-ABA schools. (They don't of course, but they could.)

The net impact of the consent decree was to take the power away from the accrediting body and give it to the individual schools.

 

and redundant... without being much help to the gentleman who originally posted the question asking for assistance

 

This sample list was recently posted on CollegeHints and helps to answer "lakers" question. Thanks to Jay2 for the additional research.

Florida State University
Troy State University
Cyprus College
Ohio State University
Chadron State College
Arkansas State University
Henderson State University
Auburn University
Greenville College
Arkansas Tech University
Lipscomb College
University of Tennessee at Chattanooga
Williamson Christian College
St. Louis University
Texas Southern University
University of Oklahoma
Oregon State University
Indiana University
Ohio University
Fresno Pacific University

And from my short list above:
Western Carolina University
Drew University
University of Idaho
Tennessee Tech University
Art Institute of Portland
Utah State University

 

Address by:

ANNE K. BINGAMAN
Assistant Attorney General
Antitrust Division
U.S. Department of Justice


Before the
32d Annual Symposium of the
Trade Association and Antitrust Law Committee
of the
Bar Association of the District of Columbia
Washington, D.C.


February 28, 1996
(Corrected April 25, 1996)

...Recent Trade Association Cases

We have brought four cases against trade associations in the last eighteen months, three of them in the last nine months....

United States v. American Bar Association

We filed the second and most significant of our recent trade association cases last June, also here in the District, against the American Bar Association. We charged that its law school accreditation program was controlled by law school faculty, who were using the ABA's power over accreditation to force law schools to inflate faculty salaries and benefits.

The accreditation program run by the ABA's Section of Legal Education -- 90 percent of whose members were law school faculty -- involved extensive requirements, enforced by on-site inspections, probationary periods, and periodic renewals. The individuals who served on the Section's Accreditation Committee had been there for many years, and their activities had for a long time largely escaped supervision by the ABA's Board of Governors and House of Delegates.

Among other things, the ABA committee required that the law school's faculty salaries -- the price of teaching talent -- be "comparable" with those of other ABA-accredited schools, and required each accredited school to submit detailed salary information in order to verify compliance with this requirement.

In practice, we charged, the ABA committee further manipulated this price-fixing requirement by permitting the faculty of the law school under review to select their own "peer group" of other law schools to compare salaries with. Not surprisingly, the faculty often chose higher-ranked schools or schools located in higher-cost areas for the peer group, which inflated the salary levels. We found a number of instances in which law schools were placed on probation for having an "inadequate" salary structure.

ABA accreditation is virtually essential to the success of a law school. The bar admission rules in over 40 States require graduation from an ABA-accredited law school as a condition for taking the bar exam.

The ABA committee further flexed its muscle by prohibiting an accredited law school from accepting transfer credits from unaccredited law schools, or from accepting graduates of unaccredited law schools into its graduate programs -- even if the other school was accredited by the State.

That case has also been resolved by a consent decree, which is still being reviewed by the court. Under the decree, the ABA committee cannot impose any comparative requirement, or collect any comparative data, regarding law school faculty compensation. Nor can the ABA committee prohibit schools from accepting transfer credits or graduates from State-accredited law schools....

 

Hundreds of millions? Hardly.

 

I know the DETC meeting is in June. Any thoughts as to who gets accredited? What are California Coast Univ chances??

 

100 percent

 

Dennis, thanks. I've been holding off finishing my degree (2 classes to go) until DETC decision. Hopefully, CCU is one of them.