CCU did it!

BDev

I think you are smart enough to know you could have earned an RA BA/BS degree for as little as $5-8000 not even considering the Big Three. Some people like to paint DI with false faults because it furthers their cause and simplistic view of the world. From yout last few posts it at least appears, you do too.

 

And, of course, the best paid person in the U.S. is a college drop out. So what exactly is your point?

 

Doctor of Jurisprudence

That is fantastically and enormous.

However, the cost is high and painful my colleague apprentice, hours and hours of reading, cases analysis and writing Legal documents, but in no way, in your live, give up that dream, because, when you finish your Doctor of Jurisprudence degree and get the State License, you will enter a very exclusive and powerful club. So authoritative my colleague, that the Doctors of Jurisprudence or the Licenciatura (America Latina) are the solitary ones that can work in one of the Constitutional Powers, as you know, the Judicial Power as a Judge.

In addition, the best of all my friend, a little more money, prestige, to pay your bill.

Like the beverage, “Keep walking”.

 

Dave,

I disagree. No other school was as accomodating as CCU. I searched for a couple of years. I work in a highly technical field and it's really hard to find a really flexible school. I appreciate your vote of confidence though. I call it like I see it, Dave. You guys act like it's just me that says that this place is hostile towards anyone that disagrees. So I'm "simple" because I state the obvious? The obvious seems oblivious to some of you, so what does that make you? That just proves my point (again).

Rich,

I've been to ORU and talked to them, they will take any degree as long as it is accredited (RA or NA)-I have no desire to go there though. I've never said that all RA schools will take NA degrees, just the ones that I've spoken with. I am so glad that Bill (I think) made the distinction that NA fits my needs and it does. I don't have to go to an RA graduate program either, I could stay NA and still be fine.

**It's funny though how some of you guys have shown your true colors...some "elitists" you are! --I'm being sarcastic (I know that I have to spell that out for some). I'm not talking about Bill, Dave, or Rich. You guys prove that you can disagree and be civil. I applaud you and hope that some of the other members here will/can follow your lead. It's just ridiculous that some of you are so steamed because a school that you didn't want to see "make" it made it. I guess to some of you it's a blow to your ego because you were wrong-not my fault. I would think that you would be happy that I am pursuing higher education (period) but...the only "proper" education comes from your school, right? I'm confident that I'll prove you wrong. Now I see why some of you get so beat up in the other fora. I think it's deserved by some of you. I'm the one trying to get an education but I'm not near as childish as some of you.

 

BDev

I am not sure why but you are certainly putting words in my mouth. I didn't say RA programs would be as flexible. Heck, I didn't even say they would be as cheap althouth the Big Three certainly could be. I never said you were the only one with the anti-DI chant. If a group says something does that make it true? Of course not.

Many that share your chant want people to believe that unaccredited schools have every bit of utility RA schools do. Many also think DETC has all the utility of RA. They want to blame some one or something and apparently DI is convenient. Does that make their rants or retorts true? Of course not.

The funniest incarnation of this is those who yell the loudest about "gangs" and "censorship". Of course they are the first to act "gang-like" and even preemptively ban people. Funny how their accusations look compared to their actions. Oh well, happens to many who think with their hearts and not their brains.

P.S. I am sure you will find an RA school to accept your CCU degree and I am happy for both you and CCU. CCU did right to seek accreditation and make the changes needed to attain it. It shows insight by their management.

 

BDev

You are creating a false argument here. No one is steamed that CCU applied for and received DETC accreditation. As far as I can see all are happy for its move up the ladder of educational institutions. I have seen many express their happiness for both you and CCU. Who has been proven wrong? Come on, at least post accurately and logically. You owe it to your alma mater if nothing else!

P.S. Your last sentence comes across as "my Dad is tougher than your Dad!" I guess childishness is in the eye of the beholder.

 

No, they're not, not all of them. Some, like TUI, start out as branches and/or affiliated with accredited schools. Thus, all degrees awarded come from an accredited school.

Instead of taking a broad brush to characterize others' posts, perhaps you should stick to specifics, and to your own point(s).

What "belief system" are you talking about? Whose is it? Or is that just a bunch of bull?

What is your problem with an Interdisciplinary Ph.D.? Don't you know anything about Union? Or don't you know anything about other accredited schools that offer it? Do a websearch on "Interdisciplinary Ph.D." and you'll find plenty. Then do one on DBA's that dont' have a dissertation (or equivalent). Let me know if you find an accredited one.

 

And he doesn't have that huge student loan load, which has got to make a difference!

 

Many here have said good things about CCU for some time, especially since they started seeking accreditation. I think most are glad to see CCU become accredited. However, not many here can seem to just say congratulations to CCU without following it up with the conjunction but, and then pointing out that it still is not this or that. I don't see CCU graduates running around saying that CCU now has all the utility of RA, or that CCU is now equal to or better than RA schools. They are just happy CCU is now accredited by a CHEA recognized accreditor.

One of the reasons that this kind of stuff gets going is because antagonist on these forums always try to stir things up by making it an "in your face, degreeinfo" or by others making comments just to try to rain on the parade of CCU graduates. There is no doubt that DETC is not as utile as RA, but it is a big step up from being unaccredited, so we should be glad that CCU has made that step.

I see nothing but good out of CCU becoming accredited, and hope CCU benefits from doing so which would teach a valuable lesson to others that need to change!

 

... HA!! look who's being defensive now!! ...this is too easy...

 

Ah, good ol' ORU . . . whose founder gained fame by saying, "Lay your hands on the television set," years before a 900-foot Jesus told him that God would take him home if he didn't raise enough money.

 

No, not defensive. That's your paradigm and your interpretation through that paradigm. You made a comment and I challenged it. Instead of continuing to focus on the person, try focusing on what I posted. You made a comment about Interdisciplinary Studies doctorates that was dismissive (and rather vacuous). I responded, demonstrating that you don't know what you're talking about (without actually coming out and saying it, of course).

It's easy because you're simple. That's convenient, but not very utile.

 

Dave,

No one put words in your mouth. I never implied that you were saying RA schools would be as flexible: I simply said what I said-nothing more nothing less. No matter what I say or how I say it, some of you are going to take it exactly how you want to take it: negatively. No, not everyone is happy for CCU...are we reading the same board? Childish is childish and I don't need an RA degree to know the difference. Does grad school make you guys so sensitive? So argumentative? Maybe it's RA grad schools...wow! If going to grad school will make me act like some of you, I'll stop at the undergrad level. Higher education...it's a good thing I read other boards otherwise, I'd think that all "academics" are like you.




*Steve, ORU is RA though! That's the gold standard, isn't it?
I know, I know, it's not your school so even though it's RA it's not a very good school. Ridiculous.

I'm done. I'll let you know when I get into grad school (so it can make some of you angry all over again). I hope none of you are teachers! lol

 

I might have asked this already, but where are you pursuing your J.D.?

 

A trap? Are you serious? Pray tell, let me know about this insidious trap that I set for you.

Seriously, my question was sincere. I wanted to know which schools (plural) and which school officials had given you that information. Since you "went the extra mile and spoke with some of the schools (plural) about it", perhaps you can let us know who else besides Oral Roberts has a blanket policy of DETC admission.

Since you mentioned only one institution (Oral Roberts), and that information contradicts the official admission info provided by ORU (see below), I wondered who gave you that info. Was it an admissions counselor, a dean or a groundskeeper? I work full-time as an administrator at a university (and teach part-time at another) and I know that many, if not most, of our employees are not fully versed in our admissions policies.

ORU Undergraduate Transfer Page
http://www.oru.edu/university/departments/registrar/transfer.html

"Accrediting Institutions
ORU accepts liberal arts courses from regionally accredited institutions. ORU accepts courses from schools accredited by the International Christian Accrediting Association (ICAA), the American Association of Bible College (AABC), the Association of Theological Schools (ATS), and the Oklahoma State Regents for Higher Education. Articulation agreements between ORU and ICAA institutions regarding the transfer of credit are administered according to the ICAA Articulation Program.

Technical or vocational courses are not ordinarily credited toward the liberal arts degree. No credit is given for any course with less than a "C" level grade. Transfer credits from institutions that are not regionally accredited may be accepted on the same basis they are accepted by the reporting institution in their own state. ORU may accept courses demonstrated as acceptable to at least three recognized accredited institutions.

Certification, diploma, associate degree and other pre-bachelor degree programs issued by institutions not accredited by regional accrediting agencies are not accepted for block credit. Courses in these programs may be evaluated individually according to ORU credit transfer policies."

ORU School of Education Graduate Admission Page
http://portal.oru.edu/servlet/page?_pageid=1828&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&dept=EDSI&special=EDSIADM

"General Admission Requirements:

--Bachelor's degree from a regionally accredited undergraduate institution
--Minimum grade-point average of 3.0 on a 4.0 scale
--Official transcripts from each college or university attended
--Graduate Record Exam (GRE) or Miller Analogies Test (MAT) scores
--Two academic / professional recommendations
--One clergyman's recommendation
--A Signed Code of Honor Pledge
--Personal biographical summary

Application fee
Transfer of Credits: Students may transfer a maximum of nine credit hours providing the course work is applicable to the selected program. The credits must have been earned from a regionally accredited institution and have not been applied toward another degree."


As for the lists that you mentioned, I probably have seen some of them (I don't recall). Not long ago, I generated one of those lists myself--A list of RA grad schools that accepted graduates from Southern Virginia University an AALE (NA) accredited school. I know perfectly well that there are schools that accept DETC credits. I just wanted to know to whom you talked.

Honestly, I'm not the trap setting kind. I use Degreeinfo primarily as a research tool. You sounded as though you might have some useful info...sorry to have troubled you.

Tony Piña
Coordinator of Learning Technologies
Northeastern Illinois University

 

Interesting that you still see anger when there is none. CCU has been repeatedly congratulated and even complimented on its new web site. Perhaps you feel it because people still see a difference because an unaccredited and accredited school?