CCU did it!

Re: Re: CCU did it!

I find beer mouth-watering this lexis = accredited by DETC, a accreditation agency that is recognize by USDoE and recognized by CHEA.

These are award-winning words, and good to celebrate with vines and beer.

Also, I know that is a tiny behind schedule however, Merry Christmas, Santa brings a novel gift.

 

Hold it, folks. I actually went through this "Who will accept DETC credits?" drill myself a few years ago. I have an A.A.S. degree from CIE.

YES, R/A universities will accept SOME DETC credit but they often (usually?) restrict acceptance to those credits that are evaluated and found equivalent by ACE.

There is nothing LIKE the free exchange of undergraduate credits between R/A schools. Anyone who says there is hasn't done his homework.

As to graduate credits, even R/A schools don't accept much in transfer from each other, usually no more than about 9 S.H. toward a master's degree. I would be very surprised indeed to hear of an R/A graduate school accepting ANY graduate credit from a DETC program.

 

I don't believe that people are questioning your choice in CCU. An important consideration when choosing a school is whether or not the degree will fit your needs. You've stated that CCU meets you needs nicely. That is great for you and I'm really pleased.

The utility of CCU degrees have just made a major leap forward. That still does not mean that it will meet everyone's needs. It is important that other people considering schools understand this. I'm only saying this for the benefit of others, not to try and denigrate your choice. As stated by you and repeated by me, CCU worked out great for you!

 

Okay, I confess it . . . I was in the mood for a good drama - no, a good domedy - and knew that my first post in this thread would create one. I did not begin to imagine that it would sprew into some 40 more posts in this, only part of this first day since it appeared.

Let's remember, kiddies, that I have always considered CCU a degree mill - that's not an opinion I developed when they achieved, let alone applied for, accreditation by DETC. Moreover, I have been consistenty on record as opining that DETC is a mickey-mouse accreditor (not an accreditation mill, but certainly not a credible academic accreditor in light of some of the institutions it has approved). I held this opinion long before their action on CCU.

Unlike many of you, I have actually been to CCU's nondescript little facility at the corner of 7th & Main Streets in beautiful downtown Santa Ana. I was not impressed then, nor am I impressed now. You can give CCU a coat of paint, but it's still the same CCU.

One of things I have always looked atwith DETC-accredited schools is the fact that my own B.A. alma mater, Thomas Edison State College (about which there have been separate recent hissy fits on this forum by inept students who don't know how to run their own show), will not accept in transfer credits from CCU - or from any other DETC-accredited school. The tESC policy is, of course, not limited to DETC schools, as it has been consistently applied over the years to other non-regional accreditors such as AABC.

Finally, to those who try to trash opinions such as Rich's and mine beased on our Union doctorates (I'm afraid I forget who the other Union grad on the board is), the bottom line is that neither Rich nor I have ever felt the need to defend our doctoral credentials - nor does any graduate of any regionally accredited school. To the contrary, even while celebrating the DETC "icing on the cake" at CCU, I cannot help but notice that the originator of this thread, BDev, and others affiliated with CCU still feel the need to defend their school. And believe me, they always will have the need to so do.

But that's cool - I can always use the entertainment.

 

I had assumed that the discussion was centered more around degrees rather than credits. I would guess that the transfer of credits between DETC programs and RA would be extremely difficult. As you mention, I'd expect that evaluation by ACE would generally be required.

 

I for one have enjoyed the "drama" that Steve's post has generated.

Thanks,
Bill

P.S. CCU Graduates, you really shouldn't have to get as defensive as you used to when people referred to your school as a degree mill. On the other hand don't try and claim that the utility/acceptability is as good as RA because it is not.

 

This statement is oft-repeated, but so broad as to be meaningless. What defines "hostility"? Perhaps, as we've seen time and time again, it is merely the "dissenting" part. Some people don't like their cherished hopes/dreams/opinions/investments/choices/etc. challenged. They perceive themselves being attacked, instead of the ideas they post. But, no.

You see, not too many people really know each other around here. It's hard to attack a person if you don't even know who that person is. Even a blatant ad hominem has little impact on an anonymous poster.

Poorly supported statements, not the person doing the stating, are what usually get slammed. As it should be.

 

I think Tony asked it because Bev said it so matter-of-factly, that because now CCU is accredited, it became a non-issue. But, as we so very well know, many RA schools will not accept credits and degrees from NA schools.

 

And that's really the point, isn't it? The acceptability of DETC accreditation will be second-rate for a very long time, despite whatever legislation and/or CHEA/USDoE language is in place.

Holders of degrees from DETC-accredited schools shouldn't have to apologize for their degrees, and I don't think anyone's suggesting that. But defending and explaining will long be in their repertoire. No judging here; that's just the way it is.

 

paranoid projection (like Mercator only squished even more up top)

BDev: Congratulations! You have moved yourself from category E to category A. Now that you are saying that I have never liked CCU, you prove one or more of the following:
1) you are a prevaricator driven by the famed CCU-student martyr complex
2) you have never read any of my long string of posts about CCU
3) you can't read English very well, including my posts on this thread
4) Dr Levicoff (haNavi) was right about CCU and I was wrong.

And as for saying that Tony Piña set a trap for you, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Steve, Steve, I repent in dust and asses.

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Bill, I agree, ya gotta consider the source... Interdisciplinary doctorate... indeed!!! In response to your P.S. ...once again, ya gotta consider the source... Conformists, you shouldn't get defensive when your belief systems are challenged. And don't try to claim that there is little utility/acceptablility of alternative systems. And all schools are unaccredited at some point in their life. peace.

 

To all CCU students/graduates,

Why bother to explain when your degree is already accredited. Comparsion never ends... RA to RA, NA to NA, and even RA to NA! it never ends...When comparison (Accreditation) ends with either RA to RA, NA to NA or even RA to NA. There will then be ppls comparing school to school. why? just because they(RA graduates) wanna proved that their RA alma mater is better than your RA alma mater. Comparison never ends, dudes!


Kozen
Singapore

 

Um, it isn't that I object to DETC institutions or degrees. I have OFTEN posted in favor of non R/A programs that actually accomplish the student's personal goals. Indeed, I often post favorably about certain Californian correspondence law schools that are COMPLETELY unaccredited. But I NEVER claim that such degrees are the equivalent of ABA or R/A degrees. They aren't; the holder will soon discover the real and severe consequences of holding an unaccredited degree.

What worries me is that people read this forum for information. It would be bad to mislead such people into thinking that a DETC degree is the equivalent of an R/A degree.

It isn't. Not by ANY definition.

A potential DETC institution student needs to know and understand the REAL and SIGNIFICANT limitations of such a degree BEFORE he earns it!

 

CCU has been accredited for one day and all this controversy?

For Levicoff and other Union graduates I might add this: it is true that Union is regionally accredited and there is no need to defend their doctorates. I can tell you that that was certainly not the case about ten years ago. I am from Cincinnati and was on adjunct faculty at the University of Cincinnati at that time. I was interested in pursuing doctoral studies and talked to a number of faculty and department personnel about Union. Not a single person advised pursuit of the degree from Union. In fact, they were adamently against it because they thought it would be almost useless in getting a non-adjunct faculty position. As it turned out they were wrong. In the meantime I took a different career turn anyway so, for me, the question became mute.

So much of the discussion so far has frankly been childish. It would be best to simply congratulate CCU, give them a chance to demonstrate how much they have improved - and how much more improvement they can make in the future.

 

I'm a bit confused; perhaps it is as a result of all the celebration concerning CCU's accreditation.

I may be wrong, but I surmise that, at this juncture, no one has truly earned an "accredited degree" from CCU. Do you know anyone who has?

 

I think TESC does accept college credits from NA schools that offer ACE evaluated courses.


From TESC:

http://www.tesc.edu/prospective/undergraduate/credit/college.php

"Additionally, the Guide contains credit recommendations for courses offered by home-study schools that are accredited by the National Home Study Council. Here, too, policies and procedures are substantively very close to those used in the evaluation of businesses or corporations, and were adopted by the Commission on Educational Credit and Credentials in May, 1977. Under these policies, eligibility for review extends only to those accredited home-study courses that include a proctored, comprehensive examination. A description of the policies and procedures is available upon request. "

 

In addition, the Doctors of Jurisprudence of DETC or California Approved degrees with State Licenses:

1. Are making excellent money, more that some RA BA, MA, PhD, EdD, etc degrees.

2. Can work in Public Positions, with no great, but decent pays.

3. In addition, the Best of all, they are part of the Prestigious TOGATI.

 

All schools within the USA, would be a good clarification to add.

I would like to add that CCU, in a way, brought on much of the bad press on itself because of it being unaccredited for such a long period of time. The more typical period of being unaccredited is years not decades.

 

Discrimination?

Having an RA degree is sort of like being a member in an exclusive club. No one can enter our club unless they too have an RA degree.

Naturally, DETC is also like being in a club, albeit an inferior one. The DETC schools will gladly accept college credits from the RA schools because of their superiority (you may replace the word “superiority” with the word “utility” if you are offended by this humorous analogy). However, the RA schools would never accept within their ranks the inferior credits of the DETC schools.

The DETC club members must always bow to the RA club members. The RA club members are always welcomed with open arms into all the various DETC clubs that are scattered around the United States. But the DETC club members are never allowed inside the ranks of the RA clubs, for obvious reasons.

The utility of being a DETC club member is limited to DETC schools, but the utility of being a RA club member opens doors to all clubs, to include those of the inferior DETC clubs. As long as the RA clubs maintain a monopoly over all of the prestigious colleges and universities in the United States, the DETC club members will continue to be discriminated against.

But I have a dream where DETC club members can sit down with RA club members……..

Can’t we all just get along?

 

Had to look that up, now that I'm a California JD candidate...

http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/t091.htm

So now I can dress like the guys in Animal House?