CCU did it!

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by BDev, Jan 10, 2005.

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  1. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    But it is not all that matters elsewhere. There are many situations where a degree from a DETC-accredited school will not suffice. That might be all right with you and other graduates, but it is true.

    I don't think the discussion about DETC accreditation's shortcomings began today.
     
  2. BDev

    BDev New Member

    I agree with you, Rich. Aren't we talking about me though? I know that I am. CCU isn't going to save the universe now that they are DETC accredited-they will 1) save me some money, 2) save me lots of time, 3) help me get to where I am trying to go. I can't speak for everyone everywhere, I can only speak for me. I think it is great that CCU is accredited-it doesn't matter to me who they are accredited by just as long as they are accredited (because that's all I need).
     
  3. rmm0484

    rmm0484 Member

    CCU made it!

    Yesssss!
     
  4. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    There's no way that I could have gotten the job that I have today with a DETC degree.

    I'm not trying to say that it is really better or not. That isn't the issue. The point is that Rich's statement is absolutely correct and I believe that my job is but one example of many.
     
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  5. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    "We" can't talk about you; I don't know you. But you can talk about you, and if you're convinced that a CCU degree will meet your present and future needs, great! But remember, others read these threads, too, some for whom a CCU degree would not be a good choice. That's why the contrarian tone. It has no reflection on you or your choice. I'm thrilled that CCU is accredited by DETC, and am truly happy for someone I don't even know!
     
  6. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Hi BDev:

    No, it was precisely because you are mostly free of this stuff that I asked you.

    I would take issue with your characterization of the forum, however. If one can't defend with logic, evidence, and fact what one says, people will find it hard to take one seriously. (I am using the pompous academic "one" so you don't refer the comment back to yourself, where it is NOT directed.)

    Before you began posting, there were CCU students (one in particular) who gave a horrible moral representation of the school. I felt that this person and others detracted from CCU's reputation. I still do and they still do. It pisses me off when CCU students act like proponents or proprietors of mills. (See next paragraph.)

    A shill is a shill. 99 times out of 100 when someone defends a sleazy school or an outright mill, that person is a customer rationalizing a purchase with intent to deceive or is a staff person/salesperson for the sleazy enterprise while concealing (poorly) that fact. Ergo, a shill. Do I slam shills? Damn right. I have this quirky objection to theft and to thieves using this board to set up victims or aid their collaborators.

    I agree with the section of your post beginning "Honestly, I think...". That is precisely my point. The persons whose behavior resembles the proverbial turd in the punchbowl are doing CCU no favors. That is what bugs me.

    OK, your turn. I have never heard an intelligent person who wasn't trying to pull something use the word "elitism." Folks who charge "elitism", in the context of this board, are almost always one or more of the following:
    a) morons
    b) shills
    c) professional victims
    d) fake egalitarians who resent other, supposedly better schools.

    I would ask you, then, since I trust you are e) none of the above, to reconsider your use of this tired politically correct buzzword. Your invocation of Harvard, Yale, Snodfart, etc., does show a bit of dunderheaded populism of the Pink Floyd variety ("we don't need no education / we don't need no thought control"). Look, to continue the hightoned literary reference, nobody here is another brick in any wall of yours--or mine.

    In the world of DL, one builds one's own brick walls. But degreeinfo is the best place there is for help in tearing them down.

    I do not normally discuss my academic background. Since none of the schools I attended offers any DL, I do not identify them. But since this "Harvard" thing bothers you, wrongly, perhaps I can make you feel better.

    My BA is from a four-year RA college that, yes, is on the academic level of Harvard, Yale, etc.--or at least it was when I went there many many moons ago. My MDiv is from an unremarkable RA/ATS seminary I went to because it was cheap and did not require the Biblical languages (which I did not "have" at that time). My MA is from a well-respected RA major university which I consider filthy and corrupt. If it offered DL I would denounce it by name. I dropped out of the doctoral program there for reasons partly their fault, partly mine. In the eyes of many, to "flunk" out of a doctoral program--a misnomer, but let it go--is to fail some sort of character test. Fine. My other credential is from an unaccredited seminary belonging to my denomination. To those who consider all unaccredited schools to be mills, well, there I am. I don't think it's a mill (nor does Steve Levicoff, IIRC).

    Now, if this chequered background makes me an elitist, well and good. If I can take other posters' doctorates in vain--and I mean no disrespect to them or their attainments, which I admire and have said clearly that I admire--I cite these to underline my point that insisting on reputability is in no way "elitism"--let me illustrate:
    Dr Clifton: Bethany-of-Dothan (a problematic unaccredited school, but not a mill)
    Dr Douglas: Union (RA, but not "Harvard"--nor has Dr Douglas ever said it was)
    Dr Levicoff: ditto (both parts)
    Doktorand Grover: University of Zululand (adequate S.A. GAAP school--but no Stellenbosch--not that Dkd Grover ever said it was)
    Dr Morris: a reputable seminary (I forget which one)

    To conclude: Please do not lump yourself with the CCU student paranoids. I asked you for an explanation of their behaviour, if you happened to have one. You apparently do not. That's OK. But referring the comments I made to yourself, or universalizing them to all CCU students, is to do what I very deliberately did not do.

    One small zinger: do not, as you value your consecrated heinie, invoke being a cleric as a way of getting a "pass" from me. I don't give the mythical clergy discount. If what you post is honorable and constructive, you need no "pass" from me whether or not I agree with what you say, nor, indeed if I take vigorous issue with what you say (as I did here with your mistaken characterization of this board). If what a poster happens to post is crap, or dishonest, or sleazy, or shilling, and that poster vaunts being a clergyman as a way of getting away with posting crap, etc., I hope to God I will spot it and slam it as hard as I know how. I dislike crooks. I hate crooked preachers.

    I hope you are well, and that your CCU degree serves you well.

    Regards,
    Janko the Mad Priest
     
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  7. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Why Uncle!

    I thought SURE you had an LL.B. lurking in there somewhere.

    My mail box has been emptied.
     
  8. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

  9. A Union PhD cries that CCU is a Mickey Mouse, what a shaggy dog story. Ever since Union, is the creator of the magical Kingdoms.

    In addition, Mickey Union man, a legal representative with a DETC Doctor of Jurisprudence makes more money that RA accredited person.

    Moreover, the prestige of have a Lawyer State License.

    :D
     
  10. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Which Union graduate? There are, I believe, three who post here. I don't recall anyone of us using that particular term.

    In time past, Levicoff has called CCU a degree mill. He distinguishes that term from "diploma mill," a seller of fake degrees. I would imagine he has serious questions that remain regarding CCU, as do I. But we've had serious concerns about Union, too. (And Northcentral and Touro University International and UoP and....)

    The rest of that post is nonsensical.
     
  11. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Picture of the Mad Priest

    Only in his (Uncle's) dreams!
     
  12. BDev

    BDev New Member

    Unc,

    *As optimistic as you're trying to be, I don't think that anyone can deny (honestly) that there is a certain level of hostility from this board. Not from everyone on this board but...you don't have to take my word for it: check out the other boards and you'll see for yourself. The fact that I think that (as do many others) doesn't make any of us shills. Maybe some of them are, I don't know all of the history behind many of the comments made.

    *As I have "yet to arrive" in academia, I chose the word "elitism" because that is the word that best describes what I see taking place. Keep in mind, I'm not talking about you, but...Have you noticed that I'm willing to admit that some of the people you are reffering to might very well be shills but it seems like you believe that everyone in this forum is innocent of "elitism"?

    *I have no disregard for anyone from Harvard, Yale, etc; etc; I've worked with graduates from those schools and I just wasn't that impressed. So if those are the "elite" schools, and not many people on this board are graduates of any of those schools, I have a hard time stomaching some of the snobbery. Once again, not everyone on this board is like that...I'm not trying to paint everyone with the same brush. As far as your list goes, I would fit into your "E" category (none of the above). I say what I say based off of my opinion. Have you ever noticed that I've never given out any advice? I just try to be objective and look at things from multiple angles.

    *I don't lump myself in with any group (not purposely). I guess by the fact that I'm a CCU student, I'm guilty by association (to an extent). For the record, I've never said that I don't need an education. I've been very successful without having a degree but I want to change careers (and for that, I need a degree). If you thought that I brought up the fact that I am clergy to get a pass from you, then you must think higher of yourself than I do. I wasn't asking for a pass because I'm ex military either so...I must not need a pass from anyone...I was making a point: I try to be exemplary in all that I do. You hate crooked preachers? I pray for them. Hate is such a strong word. I'm more than confident that CCU will serve my present and future needs.

    I wish you the best!
     
  13. Anthony Pina

    Anthony Pina Active Member

    Really? Which RA schools consider it a "non-issue"? To whom at the schools did you speak? This information would be of great interest to those on this board enrolled in DETC schools and are looking to transfer into an RA grad program.

    Please provide this information. It would be quite valuable.

    Tony Pina
    Administrator, Northeastern Illinois University
     
  14. BDev

    BDev New Member

    ORU is one school that will accepte NA credits (I spoke with them when I lived in Tulsa). I'll let you know what the other ones are as soon as I graduate. I'll prove it once I graduate and get accepted into one of their programs (not talking about ORU). I am a novice, but I've done some homework.
     
  15. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Quousque tandem abutere...

    Hi BDev:

    I do honestly deny what you say no one can honestly deny.

    I wrote in a fit of patience and goodwill. Your new post cured me, D. g.

    You whine and invoke irresponsible fora as sanction for your opinions. You avoid my criticisms by denying that you feel things I never said you felt. You vaunt your own holiness. You assert to another poster that you are a novice (so if you criticise me you're mean) but you've done your homework (so you're ignorant if you disagree with me). You think everything is about you or reflects on you or is an arena for your emotions. I am not a pietist. I have no sympathy for your cascade of Gefuehl or your festival of Ressentiment.

    My opinion of CCU is unchanged. And I still hate crooked clerics.

    Janko Preotul
     
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  16. Kirkland

    Kirkland Member

    Good luck with your studies BDev. What's really important is that you are pursuing your education. I haven't met any CCU students on these forums that I haven't liked, they all seem to be a balanced, intelligent, and practical bunch. ...damn...lets all go out for a beer ...

    Far from paranoia, any normal person will debate and defend a legitimate and rational choice. If I called your wife ugly or your new car crap or your pedigree dog a mutt, I would expect to get an indignant response. Some folks here shouldn't be surprised when they get a similar reaction in response to their methods and madness.
     
  17. BDev

    BDev New Member

    All you've done, Janko is prove yourself. The fact that you don't like CCU means nothing to me. There is hostility on this board towards dissenting opinions. Not my fault. The fact that you ignore it doesn't mean that it's not true.

    I never whined and I never blamed this fora for anything. You just didn't like what I said but...you are entirely too full of yourself. Now I see what the other people on the other boards are talking about.

    Did you honestly expect me to be able to answer for those that you take issue with? I'm not as omnipotent as you are, sorry. If you expected me to be, then you fooled yourself.
     
  18. Kirkland

    Kirkland Member

    I'm surprised this question is asked...again. It has been covered in great detail on this forum and elsewhere, with lots of lists presented. There are a lot of RA schools that will accept DETC credits.
     
  19. BDev

    BDev New Member

    Thank you, Kirkland. I really appreciate your support. It's not as complex as some people are making it out to be. I chose not to go into $30-40,000 worth of debt...I think that's wise but....you know the rest (because I know you can read). LOL I really do appreciate your support though.
     
  20. BDev

    BDev New Member

    Oh and Kirkland, I wasn't going to fall for Tony's trap. I knew that was all it was...I've been reading this site for a while now, I know that he's seen the same lists that I have. I went the extra mile and spoke with some of the schools about it though. I don't think that it'll be as hard as they make it out to be (I'm not saying it'll be easy but...<if it were "easy" it probably wouldn't be worth it, right?>). Thanks again, Rod!
     

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