california pacific university - Need help!!!

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by JNelson467, Sep 3, 2004.

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  1. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    If you actually fill out the online form and submit it, they let you download it afterward. I suppose you can use bogus info if you don't want to be harassed by admissions salespeople.

    (Also, is it just me, or is their noisy Flash object at the top of the screen incredibly annoying?)

    -=Steve=-
     
  2. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator


    What is more annoying is the fact that the links on the left side do not work-
    http://www.cpu.edu/index-2.html
     
  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Speculation by an unconnected observer for the past 27 years: I think they're (a) too small to bother with DETC (and vice versa) and (b) they do most of their business at the doctoral level. (Again, wild speculation.) If true, dropping the doctorates and competing with other DETC-accredited schools on the basis of their extremely limited curriculum would be a tough decision to make--one involving more capital than they have, perhaps. (DETC accreditation wouldn't be expensive, assuming they could do it. But competing with Columbia Southern, CCU, and the like could get veeeeeerrrrrrryyyyyy expensive.)
     
  4. Dave Wagner

    Dave Wagner Active Member

    I'm not sure why this very old thread was revived but I concur with Dr. Dave's thoughts on the DBA at California Pacific University; it is rigorous and a great value. The only caveat is that if you plan to teach at some point you may want to raise the funds to spend your time in a regionally-accredited doctoral program; there are many options now that did not exist in the mid-1990's.

    Dave
     
  5. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I think CPU is exactly what it purports to be, which is a good thing. But I'd add that there are more limitations to such a degree than just its lack of use as a credential for teaching.

    Many employers will react to a degree from an unaccredited school as if it came from a diploma mill. Right or wrong, it is true.

    In some states, using such a degree can get you into trouble.

    In some situations, even a legitimately earned degree like one from CPU can cause public embarassment.

    Finally, in some occupations--like mine, consulting--using an unaccredited degree can get you and your employer burned.

    On the upside, a degree from CPU is certainly a step up from a lot of unaccredited schools, and will be useful in many employment situations.
     
  6. back2cali

    back2cali New Member

    Dr. Rich, I agree with all of the comments posted on the above with the exception of this one.

    There truly is no upside to completing a degree from an unaccredited school. It makes no sense, and I am one to talk as all who have had the opportunity to scrutinize my completing a doctoral with Breyer State should know.

    There is no upside, and in knowing this, one who chooses to pursue a degree without a form of legal and recognizable accreditation by the US Dept of Education will only suffer in the long run.

    It ultimately brings to the degree holder a question that he or she will ask themselves. Did I truly earn the degree or am I simply in denial?

    I will, however, say that I had the sense to use spell check.
     
  7. Dave Wagner

    Dave Wagner Active Member

    Well, not really. Just say that you have earned an unaccredited degree whenever it might be relevant and there is generally no problem. People who react negatively to legitimate, unaccredited schools are either ignorant or stupid. Don't let it bother you.

    Dave
     
  8. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Um, no. They might also decide to conclude that such schools are inferior. They're not necessarily "ignorant or stupid."
     
  9. ShotoJuku

    ShotoJuku New Member

    Rich -

    Any thoughts on their (CPU) Ph.D in Management program?

    Thanks!
     
  10. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    None beyond what I've already posted.
     
  11. ShotoJuku

    ShotoJuku New Member


    Sorry, I must have missed those, I'll look again - Thanks!
     
  12. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Here's one more: If I was going to take a Ph.D. in Management from an unaccredited school, CPU would be one of the few I would consider.
     
  13. ShotoJuku

    ShotoJuku New Member

    Thanks for the input, your opinion is appreciated!
     
  14. Dave Wagner

    Dave Wagner Active Member

    Well, there is room for that interpretation, as my original statement is more of a casual observation about educational bigotry than a fully-tested theory...

    Dave
     
  15. back2cali

    back2cali New Member

    Dr. Rich,

    What would be the reasons you would consider CPU? Would it be due to the long existence of the school or perhaps the low cost and affordable tuition which I believe is still $100 per month and no interest?

    Simply curious on what would draw you to consider this unnacredited school even though we know you would not need to pursue such from your already accomplished degree from Union.
     
  16. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I'm not "drawn" to CPU at all. I'm trying to make the point that pursuing an unaccredited doctorate, with few exceptions, is a dumb idea. (CPU isn't one of the exceptions, BTW.)

    I like CPU because they were approved under California's much better--now nearly non-existent--approval prpocess. I like them because they've remained small--they're not trying to be all things to all people without the resources necessary to do so. (See Knightsbridge, who'll sell a degree in almost anything.)

    But Bill Dayson makes the point that such schools make almost no contribution to the knowledge--the dissertations they produce are not part of the academic literature, and the post-doctoral academic footprint of their graduates is almost non-existent. These schools exist to award degrees; that's where it ends. But it shouldn't.

    Go get a degree from a recognized school, then contribute something to your field, as a real doctoral candidate invariably does.

    Note: Your assumption regarding the pursuit of a subsequent doctorate is not valid in all cases.

    Finally, it's not "Dr. Rich." "Rich" will do just fine. Thanks.
     
  17. Dave Wagner

    Dave Wagner Active Member

    Agreed. Unfortunately, this seems to be the case. There are few avenues to publish dissertations by degree holders from unaccredited schools; UMI won't accept them. With the advent of the web, more of these works could be put online, assuming they do indeed have some merit. The burden is on the degree holder to publish the work in some other form, such as the efforts of "Dr. Duck", who seemed to write something useful, generate some awareness for the topic, and then "obtain" his "doctorate" from a weird little unaccredited school that seemed to be a bogus entity.

    Dave
     
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  18. ShotoJuku

    ShotoJuku New Member


    Sent you a PM when you get a chance, Thanks!
     
  19. ShotoJuku

    ShotoJuku New Member

    Sent you a PM when you get a chance - Thanks!
     
  20. ShotoJuku

    ShotoJuku New Member


    Dave - Your PM box is full so I'll post my reply here...........


    Thanks Dave!

    If I could find an RA/NA PhD in Mgmt at the CPU price: 5400 - 1000 = 4400 (if paid in advance) I would go that route. Right now $ is the number one overall consideration for me over the RA/NA/SA issue.

    THANKS AGAIN!!
     

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