california pacific university - Need help!!!

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  1. JNelson467

    JNelson467 New Member

    I am looking into a DBA program that I fit a doctoral project within the hotel industry and cost is definitely a main factor as I will be paying for this myself. I do not plan nor am seeking to teach via academia, but may pursue a consulting practice many years from now to assist independent hotel owners and operators in various management and financial areas. Would a State-Approved university be a total detriment to me in a field of work that really does not have DBA's? Your feedback is appreciated.

    PS: I am aware that Regional Accreditation is the " Standard " , but is there any utility with a State Approved program within my particular case, or should I take a loan out?
     
  2. JNelson467

    JNelson467 New Member

    Man, I need to learn to use the spell check and grammer options. Sorry for not proof-reading my terrible english above.
     
  3. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    Inevitably there are many people out there using California Pacific degrees to their benefit, since the school has been around for several decades. It could be very helpful to talk to some alumni, both those in California and those who aren't.

    The school should be able to provide names of graduates whom you can make contact with. Most schools do this. Some schools screen the list, so it only includes happy people. Others (and this is what we did with Edinburgh Business School in the 90s) do no screening, so one gets a variety of people, from happy to un.

    If you do this, can you share results? Could be helpful to others.

    PS: 'Grammer" = Kelsey. "Grammar" = the other stuff.
    "english" = putting a spin on a billiard ball. "English" = the other stuff.
     
  4. JNelson467

    JNelson467 New Member

    Thank you Dr. Bear for your response. I did talk to David Wagner yesterday via phone and we spoke for quite some time. He informed me that his DBA has done him well, however, if I were to even think of seeking Academia, I better seek a RA university. For consulting and occasional guest speaker etc.. it again has served him well. Then again, he stated to me that if it was ever brought up, he always stated upfront that it is a California State Approved Doctoral program and what the program required. Makes sense.

    I will look further more into other graduates and a list etc. and will be happy to share as well.

    Based on a Google search, I have found many graduates who are in Academia in both State, NA and RA schools. Whether the degree from CalPacific had anything to do with that choice is unknown. It may be simply seen as continued education and not a pre-requisite.

    PLEASE!! ANYONE ELSE WITH EXPERIENCE OR FEEDBACK, PLEASE SHARE. How's my English now?
     
  5. Vinipink

    Vinipink Accounting Monster

    Today this options may not be a viable unless your are a business owner and don't plan to use to seek a job that requires an accredited Doctorate. When I started my program the options where limited and money was not available.

    Three main reasons I did this degree:

    1) Self-Satisfaction.

    2) To test the waters in the market, which I found out a Doctorate is not necessary to find most jobs (at least in my field) and stand more a liability than an asset.

    When you are looking for a job in Corporate America, is view as a less than wonderful degree due to has no accreditation(even that is legal at least in Florida and Puerto Rico), and also may over qualified you for most positions.

    I learned in the game is who you Know and is not What you know, so even if I had expended thousands of dollars in Accredited RA degrees, still would have been a wasted of my money, because I would have the same job and pay(more debt). So, at this time of my life regardless Accredited or not I cannot disclosed a Doctorate in my resume to seek regulars jobs.

    Final reason for this type of degree, is that prepared me for the real deal, that if I wanted to pursue a RA Doctorate, which I did and declined due to increasing cost and not future benefits on my investment< I rather put the money on Bank CD I am better off).

    Hope it helps! And by the way, despite the accreditation status, CPU is a good school.
     
  6. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Adding my advice to Bear's is like carrying zircons to Kimberley, but good luck to you. CalPacific is a reputable CA-approved school which has been around quite a while.
     
  7. tomsellers

    tomsellers New Member

    I received my DBA from CPU last March and up to this point in time, it has served me well. I am an independent business consultant and an adjunct faculty member teaching at two local universities. The DBA certainly opened a few more doors for my consulting business but I was pleasantly suprised that the universities accepted my DBA credentials for adjunct work. I have been teaching at these two institutions for six years with a RA masters. I informed the universities upfront that CPU's DBA was a state-approved degree rather than a RA degree. Both of the universities indicated that the state-approved degree was acceptable for adjunct work however if I ever planned to teach full time or perform research at either university the degree would have to be RA.
     
  8. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Dr. Sellers:

    What is meant by these RA schools indicating that your DBA was "acceptable"? Was it accepted as a sufficient credential for teaching courses where a doctorate was required? Did they pay you more money for having a doctorate? Finally, which schools are these?

    You were already teaching for them with a master's. What difference did the CPU DBA make? This would be very valuable information for those contemplating such a degree.
     
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  9. tomsellers

    tomsellers New Member

    I was teaching in the undergraduate program with my masters. When I completed my DBA, I was reassigned from adjunct faculty with a non-terminal degree (masters) to adjunct faculty with a terminal degree (DBA). My compensation increased $30.00 per class.

    The difference my DBA made is now I can teach in the graduate division. However, I am only credentialed to teach up through the masters level (5000 series). Teaching post graduate courses (6000-7000 series) require a doctoral degree from a RA institution.

    For those considering CPU’s DBA I highly recommend the program with the caveat that candidates understand the degree is business oriented and not academically oriented. If you desire to teach part-time my advice is to be upfront with the institution on matters related to the accredited versus state-approved status of CPU. Credentialing of faculty is usually the responsibility of the institution. Accordingly, you may or may not get the teaching position.
     
  10. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member


    Charles Sturt in Australia has a DBA that can be done in hotel management. The price of the degree would be just a little higher than the one from CPU and at least you will end with a GAAP degree. I don't see the point to do the CPU degree when you can do a similar overseas degree for the same money and time. The DBA at Charles Sturt can be completed in 4 years part time and it costs about 10K USD.
     
  11. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    After what happened to Mr. Corral of Tulane University, I would advise Mr. Sellers to keep the name of the schools confidential.
     
  12. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Having been treated to much of the same, I would have to agree. But without that information, we can't very well accept his statement that the CPU DBA was "accepted" by the RA school or schools for whom he teaches. That's unfortunate. ("School or schools" because Dr. Sellers originally mentioned that two accepted his CPU DBA, but gave only one--partial--example.)
     
  13. Massalocin

    Massalocin New Member

    Originally Posted by Tomsellers


    To Mr. Sellers: Did the universities accept your state-approved DBA as policy, or did it they make special acceptions in your case? If your response is the latter then I would also suggest that you not disclose the name of the universities.
     
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  14. Massalocin

    Massalocin New Member

    oops, I meant to say exceptions (not "acceptions"!)
     
  15. Vinipink

    Vinipink Accounting Monster

    Re: Re: california pacific university - Need help!!!

    Well, if they can offer some sore of pymt plan, sure it will be a better option to a point that is accredited overseas, but I can find as quite as difficult to explain and to find a job, as my DBA from CPU. World is made of choices and colors. As long I am clear with my degree and up front, If I get the job or not it will be in the sole purposes of supply and demand!(Who you know)
     
  16. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: Re: california pacific university - Need help!!!

    I agree that a degree from a low tier australian university is not going to open doors at all levels. But the same thing will happen with a degree from Touro, NCU, Walden or every low tier University. The point is that you can apply for jobs where an accredited DBA is required with a CSU degree while you cannot with a CPU one. You will never be called a "fraud" or risk to loose a faculty job like Mr. Corral did with a CSU degree.
     
  17. Vinipink

    Vinipink Accounting Monster

    Re: Re: Re: Re: california pacific university - Need help!!!



    Central State University (degree mill) is not in the same category as California Pacific University (State Approved or not accredited but legal degree)>As far finding jobs I don't know many places that are willing to pay for DBA regardless accredited or not, and even that is healty to list in your resume, unless is academia job then is agree that has to be RA, top tier and everything else that come with the membership for academia.

    That is not the issue here. By omiting information and doing it ilegal options is where it hit the fan, as long you are honest and up front you should have no problems.
    Not my intention to defend my choice of degrees. But the bottom line is, you do not need a degree to have a job, but you do need a job to have a degree. Your choice!
     
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  18. Vinipink

    Vinipink Accounting Monster

    Updated

     
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  19. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

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    I agree that they are not in the same category. On the other hand, most of the less informed general public will consider them to be in the same unaccredited category and therefore consider them both to be degree mills. Being state approved is almost meaningless, IMHO, CPU and PWU (Pacific Western University) are both California state approved and PWU is a roaring degree mill.
     
  20. JNelson467

    JNelson467 New Member

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: california pacific university - Need help!!!

    Bill... I do not know much if anything about PWU, but, has the school been " Secret Shoppered " to give you that opinion? I have another Topic on discussion where i share a EMAIL i received after less than 3 days by a organization that is under some legal aspects to evaluate for PLA. I can have a Masters in my field as shown from 3 REAL DEGREE MILLS and can choose whatever I want. I can legally go through loopholes for a fee to have it apostled and even upgrade a GPA and become a Dr. It is actually interesting.

    Now that's a Degree Mill.. PWU, again i do not know much about them, probably requires some work and remember..State of California approved prevents ANYONE.. regardless of the amount of money they pay., to graduate in LESS than 1 academic year.

    A true Degree mill will get it to you via good ol' FEDEX.
     

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