California Coast University or Pacific Western University(California)

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Thanks Bill,

The Corps put the Titulo Tecnico as the equivlant of the US AA.
As for the BS that I have yet to complete, I dont know if they will. They are however putting in the courses I complete when I give Admin. the grades.

S/F

Michael

 

Your infantile antics, sir, will not goad me into debasing myself sufficiently enough to respond in kind. However, you should not delude yourself into believing that your attempts at subterfuge and obfuscation are successfully deceiving anyone on this forum. I believe in another post you stated:

• “I do believe it does matter, often the words “Integrity” and “Standards” come into play here, and as a retired Mustang , I know that you understand that being condescending is not what we are taught to do.”

Why, therefore, such unbecoming conduct? Where is that integrity now? Where are those standards? You may not have been taught to be condescending, but somewhere along the way, you managed to master the art.

More importantly, where is the SENCE number you said you would post?

Where is the registration number with the Minesterio de Educacion that you stated was forthcoming?

Your first explanation concerning CHILEDUC was plausible; your claiming a degree from what appears to be a nonexistent institution, however, is not. Anyone can access the database of the Minesterio de Educacion in Chile, and verify that the Instituto Nacional de Educacion Profesional, the school you claim conferred you a degree, is not listed.

The question is, of course, why?

 

This is getting tedious, and your eloquence is lacking

“I think I know now what I never knew before - the meaning of the common saying, "A fool you can neither bend nor break." Pray heaven I may never have a wise fool for my friend! There is nothing more intractable. - “My resolve is fixed!”- Why, so madmen say too; but the more firmly they believe in their delusions, the more they stand in need of treatment.”
Epictetus, 90 A.D.

The end.

Michael

P.S. I still value CCU.
MB

 

Re: This is getting tedious, and your eloquence is lacking

[The end.




Michael

P.S. I still value CCU.
MB
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Gentlemen:

With trepidation I briefly stand between with helmet on, in this firefight, not smart enough to discern the right or know the victor. I'm just here to say "thanks!" Thanks because I thought only theologians went at it like this when in attack or defense of someone's thesis. Now I see it is not just religious "wars" which can amass so many readings and so many posts.

OK, halftime's over!

 

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Yes, isn't it nice to know that theological discussions are not the only ones with divergent opinions. There can also be divergent opinions on obscure (to us) South American degree titles.

North

 

Re: This is getting tedious, and your eloquence is lacking

That's fair. A degree from CCU can have value in some circumstances. If in your current circumstance, it has value then fine. We can hope that your circumstance doesn't change and it no longer holds any value in a future circumstance.

Holding a degree from a third rate school like CCU is far better than printing up your own degree or (even worse) buying a bogus degree from a degree mill.

 

Re: Re: This is getting tedious, and your eloquence is lacking

I have not followed the whole discussion but if the guy is currently active duty he can certainly do better utility and cost wise (TA up to 100% & at a min. 75%). Even if he is not active with so many affordable options with far greater future utility.....Why??????

North

 

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_____________________________________________________North, I find "titulo technico" more complex than perichoresis and more controversial than glossolia!

 

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Truly Truly & Amen.

North

 

My eloquence speaks for itself

What? Have ye no words of your own that rise to the occasion? If words fail you, why don’t you just post some numbers? Allow me to suggest a few:

• What is the SENCE number of the institution you claim issued you a degree in Chile?
  
  What is the Minesterio de Educacion registration of the institution that you profess to have issued you a ”Titulo Technico”[sic]?

For all your quoting of Epictetus, you seem to have missed the fundamental premise of the Stoics: the only thing that is good is acting virtuously, and the only thing that is bad is the opposite.

But I agree with you; this is the end. I am, of course, referring to your credibility on this forum. I can, however, understand why you harbor such resentment towards me. After having to admit that almost every assertion you made concerning your degree was erroneous, your buddy Epictetus, perhaps explained it best when he said, ”In theory it is easy to convince an ignorant person: in actual life, men not only object to offer themselves to be convinced, but hate the man who has convinced them.”

After offering to provide the proper information on more than one occasion, your subsequent refusal to so can only lead one to believe that either the Instituto Nacional de Educacion Profesional doesn’t exist (at least under that name), or it doesn’t have the proper authority to grant degrees. Therefore, until you can reasonably explain why the Instituto Nacional de Educacion Profesional, the school you claim to have earned a degree from, isn’t listed in the database of the Minesterio de Educacion in Chile, I shall regard you (as I am sure many others on this forum will) as a fraud. There is no other word to describe an individual who claims credentials that are either nonexistent, unverifiable or from an illegitimate institution. And no amount of laughing or quoting ancient philosophers will detract anyone’s attention from that inescapable conclusion.

 

Well, I'm getting pretty anxious to start at CCU. I'm probably going to enroll in the next week or two when i get my tax returns. I'm pretty excited about the idea of getting the first courses in the mail, but i imagine that won't be for another month and a half or so probably.

 

sleighbells on the roof??

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Brandon:

You know that's just how I used to feel waiting for Santa!

 

Yeah, I'm really looking forward to working to finish my degree. It's pretty exciting . Maybe I'll even order a cal coast t shirt (if there is such a thing)

 

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Sure you should have that t-shirt. Also bumper stickers and coffee mug! I'm even getting excited just thinking about all these goodies.

 

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Michael and Bill,

The CCU courses may be included on Michael's Sailor/Marine American Council on Education Registry Transcript (SMART). However, the CCU classes probably should not be included, since they were not completed utilizing Tuition Assistance, Navy College PACE or CCAF.
Their inclusion is not relevant anyway. The ACADEMIC INSTITUTION section of my SMART states:

"*This addendum is provided for your information and academic advisement only and may be incomplete. THE APPROPRIATE OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT MUST BE ORDERED FROM THE PARENT INSTITUTIONS. This addendum does not include courses funded by the individual or Veteran's Education Benefits."

Additionally, the Navy College website states that the Academic Institution Page lists courses using Tuition Assistance, Navy College PACE or CCAF.

"SMART Addendums:
Summary
Formatted to resemble many college transcripts
Streamlines SMART, providing an overview of all ACE-recommended credits
Academic Institution Page - lists college courses taken on active duty through Tuition Assistance, Navy College PACE or from CCAF (Community College of the Air Force)".

<http://www.navycollege.navy.mil/transcript.html>

Also see:

<http://www.navycollege.navy.mil/faqs.html>

"10. I TOOK COLLEGE COURSES BEFORE I ENTERED ACTIVE DUTY. WILL THESE COURSES BE ON THE SMART?
No. SMART is a military transcript only; it validates the credit recommendations for military course work, not civilian course work. If you have taken any college courses (prior to active duty or after) and you want to transfer these credits to another college, you must write to the college to request an official transcript be sent to that college.
11. IF I MUST REQUEST A TRANSCRIPT FOR ANY COLLEGE COURSES I' VE TAKEN, WHY ARE THE COURSES TAKEN USING TA AND NCPACE INCLUDED WITH THE SMART?
This addendum to the SMART, called Academic Institution Page, is to assist you and your academic advisor in degree planning. The official record of college courses you' ve taken resides with the academic institution attended."

 

Yawn!

Gus,
I’m sorry, I found “Iron Chef USA” more distracting than your petty, girlish ranting, so I was unable to answer sooner.
I stand by my record, and have nothing to hide, and if your amateur sleuthing was unable to find exactly what you were looking for, that is your shortcoming, not mine. The esteemed colleagues on the forum can make up their own minds as to my integrity, and I will not disappear as others have before. Maybe my feelings on the matter can be summed up with the quote: “I am an American, I am a Marine. What more can I ask for?” - Col. Richard B. Fredey, USMC (Ret.)
I am also sorry to disappoint you as I hold no hard feelings. I enjoy a good conversation from time to time, yet sadly, I find your cognitive abilities sub-standard and your behavior boorish. I think you need to go to your room now for some time-out.

MIchael

 

Brandon,
Your not helping.

Michael

 

"Girlish," Broderick? How does a sexist remark like that help matters?

 

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Actually I think there's only one answer to "why?". He has chosen a third rate degree because it requires less work. He's apparently assessed that it will satisfy his short term goals. He's gambling (or doesn't care) that it will satisfy potential future goals.

Personally I agree with you, North, for a little more work and a little more time and probably a little more money (CCU apparently accepted credit transfers that are probably unlikely at an RA school) he should earn a RA degree with far more utility.

 

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I would offer that what he should or shouldn't do is best judged by him, especially after receiving so much feedback. But in no way can that be projected to any other person or group. When he--or anyone else for that matter--tries to make that leap, that's when reason, not hyperbole, should prevail. And reason still indicates that such a degree would not be an effective solution for most people. (And maybe not even for him--he might be kidding himself. But self-delusion is guaranteed in the Bill of Rights, or somewhere... )