California Coast degree holding Faculties in Arogosy.

All Senior Members and Members .. Please take a closer look into this issue..

I received a catalog from Argosy university last week and found the following Faculties with PHD and DBA from california Coast university.

Hoogerbrugge, Steve, Ph.D
california Coast university
AU/Orange County
Specialty: Counseling psychology

Rabidoux, Robert, D.B.A.,
california Coast university
AU/Sarasota
Specialties: finance and management


Does this mean CCU degrees = RA degrees ?? and/or

Does Argosy accept CCU MBA for admission to their PHD program?
and/or

Argosy dosent have an idea about unaccredited degrees around??
and/or

Argosy students are getting eduaction from the faculties holding unrecognised degrees??
and/or

Argosy degrees = CCU degrees

 

Manjuap,

Did you ask the school about this? It's really simple- send an e-mail or phone them.

It may be these people have RA masters and are teaching Masters and undergrad courses.

 

He probably has both an MBA and experience in what he's teaching.

There's an interesting issue here that's been raised on Degreeinfo before:

On one hand, it's getting more and more difficult to acquire and to keep a university teaching job without a terminal degree. In the past many people taught with masters degrees, but that day seems to be gradually ending.

On the other hand, most actual practitioners of an applied subject don't have terminal degrees. They are the MBAs and the MSEEs.

So a disconnect seems to be taking place, where the people with real experience are excluded from teaching, while teaching is reserved for a class of professional academics who often have inferior experience.

This seems to be one (arguably) valuable role that non-accredited "easy" degrees may be filling. They allow experienced practitioners to acquire the piece of paper that is increasingly becoming a teaching profession union-card.

 

Re: Re: California Coast degree holding Faculties in Arogosy.

One would need to distinguish, however, what constitutes a "non-accredited easy degree." Schools such as Cal Coast do indeed "work" for some people, e.g., CA psychologists. A degree from somewhere like www.AmericanCollege.com would definitely not fall in the same category as a "non-accredited easy degree." Perhaps a "non-accredited too easy degree mill degree."

 

“Rabidoux, Robert, D.B.A., " only teaches courses in the Bachelor’s/Master of Bus. Adm.(MBA) programs ONLY. He DOES NOT teach, Doctoral Level Courses.

 

Re: Re: California Coast degree holding Faculties in Arogosy.

Tom:

I wonder why you did not continue your DBA with Nova. I have rec'd material from them, I am still not convince or do not find attractive to their program for some reason. I have no doubt this is a good school and about 20 minutes from my house. Yet, I am favoring Argosy at the moment for my DBA in Accounting!

 

Re: Re: Re: California Coast degree holding Faculties in Arogosy.

Both Argosy and Nova are GREAT schools. The DBA-Management program at Argosy University was just what I was looking for, in terms of scheduling, cost and rigor.

Prior to selecting Argosy, I visited their campus in Sarasota. I spoke to the School’s Administration/Staff alike and I was very impressed with their program offerings.

I do recommend that you VISIT their campus in Sarasota, since you do live in Florida, so you can better understand what ARGOSY is all about.

Good Luck!!

 

Re: Re: Re: Re: California Coast degree holding Faculties in Arogosy.

Thanks for the advised; as a matter of fact I am waiting for an answer from them to my application. If accepted will go for it. I am planning to take a trip there before I start. They have been excellent and the Accounting program is what I am looking for.


Vini

 

Re: Re: California Coast degree holding Faculties in Arogosy.

Bill - I can't help but reply here.

This is certainly the case - you can't survive and prosper long term in the university world without a terminal degree. Why? There are lots of reasons - but as fields become more complex it takes more education to fully understand a discipline. What academics bring to the classroom is valuable - and often overlooked. Good academics understand and can convey underlying theory. This is what students need to prepare for a life of learning.

But I see a different picture. The best schools I know are looking for folks with both academic qualifications (PhD/DBA) AND significant experience. It doesn't have to be "either/or", one can have both. In fact there is a new breed of "practitioner scholars" coming on-line that focus their research on "action oriented" topics.

When it comes to the makeup of a school's faculty, a reasonable mixture of academics and practitioners seems to be the best answer, IMHO, at least for teaching at the BS and MS/MBA level. Practitioners bring a breath of fresh air to the classroom - but often lack the theoretical perspective that academics have.

Regards - Andy

 

I some how feel that Argosy having Unrecognised Degree holding professors is being defended here on this board. Can senior members throw some light here?

 

It would seem that Argosy has developed a double standard. They will list the faculty member as having a PhD but will not let them instruct PhD level courses. Is it a PhD or not? Does it fulfill the requirements of Argosy for a PhD? I would not attend a school that used professors from unaccredited schools. There are too many PhD's from accredited institutions looking for adjuct faculty positions............maybe the CCU people work for less. So, is this what the students deserve????? I think not!

 

Re: Re: California Coast degree holding Faculties in Arogosy.

Howard,

As in any other job, if they qualify in the educational aspect (in this case, having a RA master's degree), they would then be judged by their experience both in the field and the classroom. I don't believe you can disqualify the candidate for not having something that the job doesn't require.

Tony

 

Defended? No. "Explained," perhaps.

There was a time when schools like California Coast and Columbia Pacific were respectable--and rare--opportunities to earn a doctorate nontraditionally. But with the accreditation of many of them--and the creation and subsequent accreditation of many more--the unaccredited route seems less and less a legitimate alternative, and more and more a second- or even third-rate option.

Argosy's forerunner, Sarasota, was unaccredited for a very long time. In 1980, Union, Walden, Sarasota, CIIS, Saybrook, and Fielding were not yet accredited. (Union and Fielding were candidates.) Capella, Touro International, and Northcentral didn't even exist. Many people turned to unaccredited-yet-legitimate options to earn their doctorates, and such degrees began seeing some acceptance. Perhaps Argosy has the good grace not to forget its roots.

 

Re: Re: Re: California Coast degree holding Faculties in Arogosy.

I like Howard's point. It does seem kinda halfway that they'd allow it to be listed, but seemingly not recognize the doctorate for the purposes of teaching. It would be reasonable as well for the school to omit listing the unaccredited doctorate.

 

Re: Re: California Coast degree holding Faculties in Arogosy.

Well, it seems that you did attend to a school that hires profressors with unaccredited degrees. Norman Pearson teaches at Capella and holds two unaccredited doctorates.

Norman Pearson
PhD, DBA

Dr. Pearson's original professional training at the University of Durham (UK) was in urban, rural and regional community planning and development. He holds the PhD from the International Institute for Advanced Studies, and a DBA from Canada Pacific Western University. He served for seven years as the Chair of the Administration/Management Division at Walden University, and in various positions at the University of Western Ontario, the University of Guelph, Waterloo University, Waterloo Lutheran University, and McMaster University. His parallel career has been in global consulting practice. His clients have included health agencies and non-profit organizations. Dr. Pearson has always been interested in the origins, history and development of human services, particularly in the need for re-conceptualization and new models of governance, finance and professionalism. He has published numerous books and professional articles.

 

Re: Re: California Coast degree holding Faculties in Arogosy.

Just a key NOTE, Capella does have a couple of their professors that do hold degrees from Argosy/University of Sarasota.

http://www.capellauniversity.com/aspscripts/schools/business/fullfaclist.asp


Also, Capella does have professors that hold ONLY Master’s degree teaching in the school of business and other programs. Should we think that these folks also get involved with the Doctoral Level teaching, or should we think that these folks teach Bachelors/Masters level courses ONLY?

 

I don't have a problem with them teaching.......in their area and level of expertise. I, at one time, taught with a Masters. I do have a problem with them listing the PhD that does not allow them to teach. Seems somewhat of a double standard........I believe Dr. Pearson's degrees are GAAP, are they not????? And there is a difference in state approved and GAAP.....that has been discussed ad nausem ....

 

The Canadian DBA is a total fake, there is not such a Canadian Pacific Western University. As a mater of fact the DBA is new in Canada and only one university offers it (Sherbrooke). The second PhD is from International Institute for Advanced Studies, a university that doesn't exist in my university catalog, so chances are that it is also a mill but may be someone else can help with this one.

 

I found a International School for Advanced Studies in Italy (Not a DL institution). Some how I doubt that Mr Pearson is Italian, but it could be the case.