Bridgewater University???

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  1. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    I've gotten an inquiry from an HR manager who has an applicant with a degree from this place, claimed to be in London at Suite 210, Coborn House, 3 Coborn Road, Docklands, London, E3 2DA

    Google search finds people using those degrees, but I found nothing on the "school" itself. Any thoughts?

    John Bear
     
  2. Frankie

    Frankie member

    If you run the address on the google search engine you will end up with this link:

    http://www.mailbox4u.co.uk/

    The University in question does not appear to have a website either.
     
  3. italiansupernova

    italiansupernova New Member

    If there is a website there it's definitely not capable of being found in any search engine. I went to dogpile.com which uses a multitude of search engines and didn't come up with jack.

    I even tried various other names bearing close resemblance: University of Bridgewater, The University of Bridgewater, University of the Bridgewater & I came up with a big fat ZERO for results.

    The only legit "Bridgewaters" seem to be Bridgewater College (VA) and Bridgewater State College (MA).
     
  4. Frankie

    Frankie member

    I ran the address on google and it resulted in a link to a mail box service called: LEN MAILING ADDRESS & TELEPHONE SERVICE

    One of the features of this service is one can apparently use any name they choose for an addressee name. I could call myself the "University of Siberia" and most likely I could use it with their service. Their webpage says in large bold: "ANY NAME YOU CHOOSE!"
     
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  5. bgossett

    bgossett New Member

    Bridgewater has always been difficult to locate, likely by intention. The fake schools like this tend to be ones of the type where the purported intermediary purportedly acts as the middleman between the customer and several purported schools, all of which purportedly don't advertise themselves on the internet.

    A site can be found here - http://www.bridgewateronline.info

    Bridgewateruniversity.com, .net, and .org have all been registered (with the same Docklands address) and are currently sidelined with no sites configured.

    Len's Mailing Service has been used by at least one other mill, but the name escapes me for the moment.
     
  6. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    Thank you for help and advice.

    The diploma in question is dated 1994. I think it is safe to suggest that, like many mills, they will put any date on it, and not that it has been going for 9 years.
     
  7. AmitP

    AmitP New Member

    Bridgewater University

    BridgeWater University is real and was established in 1969.
    It is a fully accredited member of the united Congress of Colleges (UCC).
    You may find more details about the UCC (Europe) at:
    Dr. K.Stevens, UCC (Europe)
    77 Avalon Cresent, Arklow,
    Co Wicklow, Ireland
    Tel +353 163 35651

    About the BridgeWater University web site:
    Please visit http://bridgewateronline.info
    This web site is user & pass protected web site only for students.

    I hope i helped you finding the university site.

    Amit P.
     
  8. PaulC

    PaulC Member

    Re: Bridgewater University

    Amit, you are kidding....right? If this site is only for registered students, one wonders how one might find a site so as to enroll into this fine institution.

    An interesting quote from a State of Michigan government publication.

    Unapproved Accrediting Bodies

    These bodies are not approved by the U.S. Department of Education and therefore any so-called "accreditation" by these bodies is meaningless.

    United Congress of Colleges - Ireland, UK[/b
     
  9. bgossett

    bgossett New Member

    Re: Bridgewater University

    No, it isn't.

    Earlscroft's fake accrediting agency.
     
  10. MarkIsrael@aol.com

    [email protected] New Member

    George Brown has identified Bridgewater University as one of 3 "universities" associated with InstantDegrees.com: http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11525

    Despite InstantDegrees.com's claim that "None of the institutions we represent advertise directly to the public" (http://www.instantdegrees.com/faq.htm), here's evidence of a Bridgewater University ad recently posted (with a forged header): http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20031208071323.10794.00000325%40mb-m24.aol.com
     
  11. ianmoseley

    ianmoseley New Member

    Mail box addresses

    THere used to be 4 'Univeristies' and an accreditation body at 9-10 College Terrace E3, which was a mail box/accommodation address used by LENS MAILING SERVICE. Len has now transferred to 3 Coborn Road although he is not the only occupant.

    It can be interesting to put the post codse (zip code) into google in quote marks and thereby find out who else is at the premise!
     
  12. IMCraig2004

    IMCraig2004 New Member

    Check your facts on BU

    I’ve used degreeinfo among many other sites to verify and validate schools during my tenure in Human Resources. Thanks to all of your posts regarding Ashcroft and BridgeWater University I was suspicious of a candidate and went so far as to ask them for their diploma and transcripts which he was able to provide. I did receive verification from the University but it did take five weeks and I did have to do it by mail which is what was indicated in BridgeWater’s Graduate Support area.

    What I have found is that this is a valid degree. It is our company’s misfortune that during this time spent verifying the degree that the candidate had accepted another position with another company.

    If you do your research you will find that a professor from Emory University possesses a degree from BridgeWater and there are many others. I sincerely doubt that Emory would have let an educator in with a “mill” degree. It’s my sincere belief that you all should have done your due diligence before making such posts.

    I would like to know if any of you have had an experience with BridgeWater or if you are only going on assumptions? I think you have come across some misinformation and would welcome any emails with contrary information.
     
  13. George Brown

    George Brown Active Member

    Erm, I think you've got your Bridgewaters mixed up.

    The real Bridgewater College is at http://www.bridgewater.edu

    The real Bridgewater State College is at http://www.bridgew.edu

    Can you find a website for Bridgewater University at Suite 210, Coborn House, 3 Coborn Road, Docklands, London, E3 2DA, London? Nope - neither can the rest of the world.
    Can you find a university at this address? Nope - neither can the rest of the world.

    Whats the actual mailing address you used to verify this person's credentials? That will clear this whole thing up.

    So, I suggest you check your Bridgewaters, however, sounds like it's water under the bridge now. BOOM BOOM :)

    Cheers,

    George
     
  14. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Re: Check your facts on BU

    It's a bogus degree as reported. If it were a real college in the UK then it would be listed on one of the following three sites.

    http://www.hmso.gov.uk/si/si1997/97000101.htm
    http://www.hmso.gov.uk/si/si1997/97005401.htm
    http://www.hmso.gov.uk/si/si1998/19980876.htm

    Here's a link to my website that is an email from the UK government that explains these simple facts.

    http://follies.werewolves.org/archives/1History/3PhrauD/GovEmailListOfSchools.htm

    P.S. If you were serious about emailing you, I would be happy to but there's no way for me to send you an email since you haven't provided your email address and you don't allow DegreeInfo members to send you email. If you have any questions of me, my email address is available in my profile.
     
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  15. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    MCraig2004, apparently DegreeInfo has turned off the emailing capability because I know that it was turned on in my profile but it wouldn't let me try to email myself. So here's my email address.

    [email protected]
     
  16. ianmoseley

    ianmoseley New Member

    UK institutions

    Statutory instruments are tedious to read. The uk government body covering education can be found at www.dfes.gov.uk and there are search facilities on the site.

    3 Coborn Road, London, E3 is a small block of offices and suite 210 is a fictitious room used as a mailing box service.

    There is often a confusion of names, quite probably deliberate on the part of the degree mill operators.

    Bridgewater University supposedly in the UK is not recognised, however there are, as mentioned, various Bridgewater Colleges in the US, which may or not be accredited.

    Similarly there is a perfectly genuine Staffordshire Unversity and a fake Stafford University, the problem being compounded by people from the real University sometimes calling it Stafford rather than Staffordshire.

    As I suggested, for UK establisments, check the postcode via google (with quote marks, e.g. "e3 5an"). If you find a lot of unrelated small businesses then this is likely to be a mail box/business centre, not a genuine college.
     
  17. MarkIsrael@aol.com

    [email protected] New Member

    IMCraig2004 wrote:

    > If you do your research you will find that a professor from
    > Emory University possesses a degree from BridgeWater and
    > there are many others. I sincerely doubt that Emory would
    > have let an educator in with a “mill” degree.


    Yes, well, what about that guy?

    Emory is a leader in the health sciences. Its home page http://www.emory.edu features a link to "Emory Healthcare". Where are Emory's health faculty located? "At the Rollins School of Public Health (RSPH), students learn to identify, analyze, and intervene in today's most pressing public health issues." http://www.sph.emory.edu/about/mission/overview.html

    Naturally, topnotch faculty would be required to teach such students. So, isn't it a cause for concern that a "senior associate, clinical instructor" in "Cancer surveillance and control" has a "ScD, Bridgewater University, London, 2003"? http://www.sph.emory.edu/epi/epifaculty.html
     
  18. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    That's very, very scary.
     
  19. Jodokk

    Jodokk Member

    slumming!

    From a mill like Stanford to such a prominent british institution! What a lucky guy. I'm thinking of attending harvard and then finding a good wy doctorate. And this guy is doing med research? ugg!
     
  20. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    What an interesting web site! I have never before seen any school establish a web site that says nothing whatever about the school.

    I can speculate, though...if I ran a diploma mill and was concerned that my web page representations might result in civil or criminal charges of fraud, a possible way to avoid this might be to not allow any representations at all, until the student had already agreed to "apply", or maybe undergo "academic assessment", or something of that nature. That way, I could argue that whatever was on the web site, whether true or not, couldn't have induced anyone to part with his money...

    Representations made in writing, even on the internet, are so much easier to prove up than oral representations, say, by telephone, are.

    Of course, I have no way of knowing whether THIS web site was designed with that in mind. This school may well have some other reason to hide its light under a bushel.
     

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