Breaking News-Nationsuniversity withdraws DETC Accreditation

You can't blame NU because the students enrolled in a college they KNEW was unaccredited, and ended up with an unaccredited degree. Nations has at NO point made any suggestion that they would be definitely accredited by a certain date. They have merely published that they are seeking accreditation. If people are now upset they have something that they can't use, they have no one to blame but themselves for taking the risk and assuming that NU would gain accreditation by the time they graduated.

 

I wasn't blaming them....no need to rub salt in the wound either. It is a sad enough state for the students. You don't need to be harsh about it.

 

From an archived NationsUniversity webpage, dated March 15, 2008:

 

Yeah, after reading that all those years ago, one could assume that it would have been likely to happen. Yes, I took a chance. Perhaps things will work out for them.

 

I am one of those students, and it is not rubbing salt into the wound to state a clear fact. When I signed up I knew it was for an unaccredited degree from an unaccredited university, so did everyone else. You say you aren't blaming NU but your comment said that they have disappointed a lot of people and that they will not recover from the harm they have done... sounds like you are blaming them to me.

My point isn't to start an argument but to get to the heart of the matter. We as students signed up for and received non accredited degrees. Nations has never given a guarantee of accreditation, only that they were pursuing it. While it may be annoying for us that it is 6 years since they first made that statement and they still aren't accredited, it is not their fault if people read more into their statements and took a chance to enrol in the hopes they might get an accredited degree at the end.

Given their apparently small funding base, (based on the earlier posters account of income and expenditure) it really isn't surprising it has taken this long. I will continue to pray that I can finish up getting an accredited degree from NU, but if that doesn't happen then the simple fact is I knew what I was getting when I signed up.

 

Quote Originally Posted by latebloomer View Post
I wasn't blaming them....no need to rub salt in the wound either. It is a sad enough state for the students. You don't need to be harsh about it.
I am one of those students, and it is not rubbing salt into the wound to state a clear fact. When I signed up I knew it was for an unaccredited degree from an unaccredited university, so did everyone else. You say you aren't blaming NU but your comment said that they have disappointed a lot of people and that they will not recover from the harm they have done... sounds like you are blaming them to me.

to dmccullau It would be helpful if you kept the posting to whom you are responding straight. I was not the one who said they "have disappointed a lot of people and that they will not recover from the harm they have done", someone else made that remark, so please do not reference it back to me. I have to admit though, Johann has a point.

 

I was not blaming them and did not make the comment you referenced dmccullau...someone else made that comment.. Please keep your postings straight before playing the blame game yourself.

 

I think you are addressing the wrong poster with the comment you referenced. That wasn't me who said
they have disappointed a lot of people and that they will not recover from the harm they have done. Please make sure you don't take on part of one posters comment and one part of another and get it confused. I have all good wishes for them as do all the other posters on this wall.

 

I don't believe NU will ever become accredited.

 

I have the same feeling which is unfortunate.

 

I think you have your posters mixed up dmccullau I never said I blamed NU. Please keep track of who said what before quoting me and then responding referencing a comment from another poster . Sorry if this response comes up more than once as my earlier response did not post.

 

Where is poster AdjunctInstructor to shed light on the current situation?

Whichever poster said he/she has the Bachelors degree and was wondering how to handle it, I would suggest that you apply for entry into an accredited Masters degree program. There were at least two people I have seen on various forums who were in Liberty University's Masters program based on NU credentials and doing well.

I hope NU pulls this off. Nice idea and almost universal praise for the academics but folks you have to fix your administrative issues (and maybe they did).

 

Incidentally, no legitimate accreditor would ever allow an applicant school to give students a guarantee or assurance of future accreditation. If an accreditor learned that an applicant school was doing this, it would most likely ensure that accreditation would not be granted.

 

That was my quote (Johann) - not LateBloomer's. And yes, I am blaming them - fortunately I never enrolled there, so Nations has done nothing to me. But yes, I still blame them for what didn't happen - accreditation.

Yes - they "merely published" that for SIX YEARS! Their non-attainment rests squarely on the shoulders of the school's administration. As I see it, claiming to be suddenly blindsided at the very last minute, by pre-existing State requirements, speaks to incompetence rather than misfortune.

Johann

 

I tend to agree with Johann that keeping up with state regulation is basic and a rather elementary thing to fumble. All that money and effort to make it to the point of the site visit and pending vote and discover oops is snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Not sure what the magic number of missteps is. I think in the years they have been trying they have never actually been voted on for accreditation. If AdjunctInstructor is correct this will be their first. I do wish them well and believe they are a sincere academic effort.

 

I apologise for attributing your comments to LateBloomer. As for the blame, as I said people who enrolled in an unaccredited school and ended up with an unaccredited degree have no rght to complain about the result. We can whine and moan that NU should have had accreditation sorted out by now, but the simple fact is that they don't and they never made any promises that they would.

Like I said, if the financials put forward by AdjunctInstructer earlier in this post are accurate then I am not surprised that it has taken them 6 years so far to get accreditation. It is an expensive business which requires a lot of administrative manhours, and given that they rely largely on donations (both in terms of financial and manhours) I am inclined to give them a bit more leeway.

That said I do understand the frustrations of people who have been waiting hopefully and expectantly for the accreditation to be sorted. I have been frustrated, and annoyed at times - but the truth is I have no right to be when I have been provided the exact service which I was promised in the time and way I was promised it - and at virtually no cost.

 

And earlier, there was the lengthy, complete "do-over" required for the DETC self-evaluation documents. That put Nations off the applicants list for quite a while! Isn't that like applying to college and then having to rewrite your admissions essay? :smile: Whatever the "magic number of missteps" is, Nations seems to have found it.

Johann

 

So, two big questions remain that should be soon answered (I hope)

Was Nations really considered at last DETC meeting? (If that wasn't true, how did such a rumor get started and why and I heard it too)
and
What is the result?

 

That's what Nations staff told our informant. I take that as being more than a rumor, then. If a final decision was made either way, DETC will undoubtedly publish that decision shortly. I check www.detc.org daily...

Johann

 

I'm not sure if they still do this, but at one time a student could theoretically get a bachelor degree at NU, and then use that degree to gain admissions to a graduate program at Liberty University.

Update: I checked LU's web site, and it appears that is still possible, but I don't know how probable it would be do go that route. From their web site: "Applicants who hold a bachelor’s degree from an unaccredited institution may be admitted to some master’s degree programs on Academic Probation status. Policies regarding removal from Academic Probation status vary per degree program. The Office of Graduate Admissions reserves the right to use professional judgment when conducting admission reviews and may request additional documentation to evaluate a candidate’s record. In addition, if certain documentation is not available or does not meet admission standards, the Office of Graduate Admissions reserves the right to offer admission to students based on professional judgment."