Breaking News-Nationsuniversity withdraws DETC Accreditation

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by saharapost, Jul 1, 2013.

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  1. saharapost

    saharapost Member

    Thank you Johann for the info. :) I took a look at Lipscomb but their tuition and other fees are neck breaking for me. I was hoping some DETC or RA schools would be able to accept NU degree into ANY of their masters once NU gets DETC accreditation.
     
  2. saharapost

    saharapost Member

    Thank you for the clarification. I now have a better understanding of what is going on at NU.
     
  3. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    So we have more respected schools with some sort of agreement with Nations. At this rate, Harvard, Yale and Oxford will have agreements in place with Nations before Nations ever becomes accredited, lol.
     
  4. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Hmm. If they have $20,000 coming in and $300,000-$450,000 going out, how are they subsidizing annual loses of $280,000-$430,000?
     
  5. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    @Ted

    ^^^ Separate donations?
     
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  6. dmccullau

    dmccullau New Member

    It is now February 2014, and I was just wondering what is happening with Nations University's accreditation? I have an associate degree from Nations and would like to upgrade that to a bachelor's using cross credit from an accredited institution in Australia, however I only want to go through with that if the resulting BRS is accredited.

    The reason I want to use Nations if they get accredited is largely down to cost - It is costing me $AUD 700 or so per unit to study in Australia, and with 13 units to go for an accredited degree at my current institution I could save myself somewhere in the order of $9100 (in loans) by using a credit transfer...

    Any update on progress would be appreciated.
    Daryl.
     
  7. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Well, one poster said...

    AdjunctInstructor is the only person I've heard say that. He must know something I don't. I thought the accreditation attempt was all but over once Nations' name was dropped from the applicants list - for the second time. I was very disappointed to see that, because up till then, I'd always liked the school - it took a lot of serial fumbling by the administration to change that.

    Anyway - no word from DETC either way, so far - and I see Nations' name is not back on the Applicants List. I can hardly see DETC making an accreditation decision on a school that's not even on the published list for the current meeting! DETC says it takes up to 30 days from the meeting date to post the results so if we're going to see anything, it'll be by Feb 17th at the latest. Looking at the situation from the outside, and that's all I can do, I won't be holding my breath. Even now, I'd like to be wrong - I really would - but I think it's game over.

    Johann
     
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  8. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    Apparently it has been resolved by legally moving NationsUniversity from Tennessee to Louisiana. Tennessee doesn't have a "religious exemption" for schools, but Louisiana does. So it looks like the issue was resolved by moving the school to a state with a more relaxed regulatory climate.

    State authorization is not accreditation, though it is typically a prerequisite for accreditation. Nations is not on the January 2014 list of DETC applicants, so it seems unlikely that its accreditation status was decided at that time (as noted in the previous post).

    Maybe Nations will reapply with DETC, and maybe they will be successful. Or maybe not; their track record is not particularly encouraging. Nations says the following about it:

     
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  9. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Actually, in every state in the USA, the only thing you need to be operating legally is state approval.
     
  10. dmccullau

    dmccullau New Member

    The advice I have received from Nations staff after inquiring directly is that they were considered in January and are awaiting the result which should be received within the next couple of weeks. I am praying hard that they are successful - not just because it will save me thousands, but because they really are a good school, who offer a solid curriculum. The sad thing is that here in Australia, the strength of the curriculum is ignored if the school is unaccredited.
     
  11. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Well, in states with a religious exemption, you don't even need that, because it's exemption from the requirement of state authorization.
     
  12. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    And there's the matter of states that in some sense delegate their approval process to recognized accreditors – by exempting schools with recognized accreditation from whatever steps of state approval, or with "up and out" policies like Wyoming's where a new school can operate under state approval alone only for a limited time, while going for accreditation.
     
  13. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    This technically true. It just isn't a very helpful or meaningful generalization -- because the conditions for "state approval" are so variable.

    At one extreme, for example, some states exempt religious schools from all oversight. So any religious school can get "state approval" very easily.

    At the other extreme, some states require all schools to hold recognized accreditation as a condition of state approval (or to make progress towards accreditation, if the school is new). In these cases, "state approval" is obviously harder to get.

    So "state approval" can mean completely different things in different states. And this may explain why NationsUniversity -- which apparently has had issues with state approval -- has legally relocated from Tennessee to Louisiana.
     
  14. latebloomer

    latebloomer New Member

    The hardest part is the students who only paid a nominal tech fee have spent so much time studying and now buying rather expensive texts to complete courses will now have a degree that is worthless to get a job in a church service capacity. Year after year it was waiting for the next DETC nonsense and false hope. I am not jaded, I am just sad that I won't be able to use my degree as a professional in ministry or non-profit work. Really heartbroken. My own fault.
     
  15. latebloomer

    latebloomer New Member

    It is the same in the US. I heard the same thing about January consideration but after last June's nonsense I am not getting my hope's up. This is directly from the NU catalog from its website:
    NU’s application along with supporting documents will be reviewed in January 2014 by the accrediting commission.
     
  16. saharapost

    saharapost Member

    For me, I have halted my NU BRS studies until further notice when I hear that NU has got the DETC accreditation. I am almost done- just less than 5 credits to finish. I just did not want my efforts to go down the drain. The program is fully loaded, tasking, and challenging. I learned a lot. While one may argue that such studies are geared towards spiritual upliftment, I just want my efforts to be crowned with an accredited paper that states that I went to a college...
     
  17. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I say it's NOT your fault at all, Latebloomer. It's totally the fault of the Administration of Nations U.

    [QUOTE="saharapost"I just want my efforts to be crowned with an accredited paper that states that I went to a college... [/QUOTE]
    I see that as a perfectly reasonable expectation. It's sad that Nations, a school that many people say teaches very well, has managed to make such a hash of a six-year series of attempts at accreditation.

    Johann
     
  18. latebloomer

    latebloomer New Member

    Thank you Johann. I see their website and ads with smiling people waving degrees in hand. Some even have on caps and gowns. I guess they are not in the US or live in Disneyland. My degree sits in my drawer as it is worthless in the US unless Nations gets accreditation. I was so wrong.
     
  19. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Unfortunately, the degree you have already earned will not benefit from accreditation. If it is conferred prior to accreditation -- it is still a degree from an unaccredited school. I note Saharapost has suspended his studies. If he resumes and finishes them after accreditation, he will then have a degree from an accredited school.

    I'm really sorry to be the bearer of this bad news. It gives me no pleasure at all.

    Nations has severely disappointed a lot of people. I don't think it has very good chances of recovering from the harm its administration has done to the school and its students. It may be irreparable.

    Johann
     
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  20. latebloomer

    latebloomer New Member

    I figured as much. If they do get it. I will go back and earn the MDIV (currently have MRS) so that I have an accredited degree but I am not at all hopeful.
     

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