Bethany to seek AABC Accreditation

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  1. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Bethany Divinity College and Seminary, Dothan, AL will seek Accrediting Association of Bible Colleges accreditation. Initial paperwork will be submitted next week. Bethany has been in conversation with them for some time now. I hope this attempt is successful.
     
  2. oxpecker

    oxpecker New Member

    Confusing to refer to this institution as just "Bethany" in view of the much better known (and much better) Bethany Theological Seminary.
     
  3. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Go to the church website and its "about the Christian church" link for a genuinely entertaining read about JC vs. Baker Book House.
    Observe how the set of schools JC graces with his presence differs in the "our pastoral fambly" link from the list posted in this thread.
     
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  4. oxpecker

    oxpecker New Member

    Wow. Yes indeed.
     
  5. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Hi, Uncle Janko,

    Hope this finds you well. I am not sure what you mean by "JC vs. Baker Book House." I cannot pull up the link. It's supposed to have a brief history of the Christian church. As far as the schools, yes, I did not mention Golden State on here. I am in an M.Div. program there. I enrolled after being told by Dr. Graves of GSST they were pursuing DETC accreditation. Unfortunately DETC, after a visit to GSST, wanted them to make changes GSST was not willing to make, sad. Other than GSST nothing is omitted on the church site except a mention of the D.Th. which I will put up after I decide where to go. I would have to make a trip per year if I choose Natal. It would be a one-week seminar.

    Blessings to you, my friend


     
  6. oxpecker

    oxpecker New Member

    I suspect that Unk was referring to the page linked from Bengal Christian Church which explicitly states that JC has a PhD from "Bethany Theological Seminary".
     
  7. Guest

    Guest Guest

    No, I finally was able to pull it up and I see now what he was refering to. I had this linked to a site about the Christian churches/churches of Christ. It gave a history. I will have to find another CC/CoC history site and link to it. A big THANKS to Uncle Janko for pointing this out to me.
     
  8. Guest

    Guest Guest

    When one types in "Christian churches/churches of Christ" in Google this is what one gets,
    Christian Churches and Churches of Christ
    Christian Churches and Churches of Christ. General Information Christian Churches and Churches of Christ comprise an undenominational ...
    mb-soft.com/believe/text/cccc.htm - 8k - Cached - Similar pages

    This is the link I had on the site. It gave a history of the CC/CoC. I will have to make sure I check the links weekly. I see now, also, what was meant by the Bethany names. Bethany changed its name, that's all. I will have to change it on the site also.
     
  9. oxpecker

    oxpecker New Member

    Already edited!! Quick work, Jimmy.
     
  10. oxpecker

    oxpecker New Member

    OK, I'm confused. Bethany Bible College and Seminary changed its name to Bethany Divinity College and Seminary. How did "Bethany Theological Seminary" get into your bio on your website?
     
  11. Gus Sainz

    Gus Sainz New Member

    Jimmy:

    I see you are still up to your old tricks. You are still unrepentantly claiming degrees from well-known degree mills. You are still posting inanities whose sole purpose is self-aggrandizement, such as listing degrees (in this case a D.Th.) that you have not earned. Here on DegreeInfo you list a D.Th. on aed you list a Ph.D. (with the caveat that you haven’t yet been accepted to Vista University, South Africa, and the dissertation is still in review) Have ye no shame?

    Who ever heard of listing a credential that you have not received? Who ever heard of listing a degree without even having applied to a school or being accepted for a program of study? Who ever heard of listing a degree before even deciding which institution will grant it? I cannot take it anymore. I am going to hurt myself if I keep laughing this hard. :rolleyes:
     
  12. oxpecker

    oxpecker New Member

    OK, I'm confused. Bethany Bible College and Seminary changed its name to Bethany Divinity College and Seminary. How did "Bethany Theological Seminary" get into your bio on your website?
     
  13. Gus Sainz

    Gus Sainz New Member

    I have broached this subject many times with Jimmy (he and others would simply refer to the school as Bethany). He always assured me that, when listing his Bethany degree, he took extra care to ensure that no one would mistake the Bethany that granted his degrees (described by experts in the field as a diploma mill) with the legitimate Bethany Theological Seminary. As such, an error of this magnitude cannot be attributed to a mere oversight; Jimmy is smarter than that. It just goes to show: Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose. :rolleyes:
     
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  14. Gus Sainz

    Gus Sainz New Member

    Your statements are misleading. To my knowledge, GSST never even applied to the DETC. In the past, experts in the field have described GSST as a diploma mill. Nothing seems to have changed.

    I thought that the new Jimmy had sworn off the old ways. I thought the new Jimmy wasn’t going to claim any more degree mill credentials. What’s the story? Are you going to continue to claim bogus credentials until you can substitute them for legitimate ones? Is that it? If so, that’s kind of unethical, don’t you think? :rolleyes:
     
  15. Charles

    Charles New Member

    AABC does not accredit seminary/grad programs

    "Does AABC accredit seminary/graduate programs?

    No. AABC’s official scope of recognition by USDE is limited to accreditation and pre-accreditation of undergraduate biblical/theological education. Many AABC institutions offer graduate programs. AABC’s purview concerning graduate programs is limited to ascertaining whether the institution’s graduate programs negatively impinge upon the credibility or resources of the undergraduate programs. Association policy stipulates that graduate units are to be administratively separate from undergraduate units and strongly urges publication of a separate graduate catalog. In all cases, AABC institutions are required to state clearly that AABC accreditation does not extend to the institution’s graduate programs.

    Many AABC colleges have earned accreditation for their graduate programs through the appropriate regional agency and/or through the Association of Theological Schools (ATS) or Transnational Association of Christian Schools (TRACS)."

    http://www.gospelcom.net/aabc/faqs.htm#5
     
  16. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Hi, Gus, et. al.,

    Hope this finds you all well and blessed. It is good to "talk" to you again. All I know is that Dr. Shuemake of Bethany stated they were pursuing AABC accreditation. GSST, according to Dr. Graves, did pursue accreditation with DETC and DETC visited them. Bethany, at the time of my enrollment, was Bethany Bible College and Theological Seminary. My degrees from them say Bethany Theological Seminary. Last year (or earlier this year) they changed their name to Bethany Divinity College and Seminary.
     
  17. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Your Eminence: I am neither your friend nor your Friend. One must capitalize this, in light of your old habit of bragging about attending Earlham School of Religion (and giving folks to understand that you graduated from the same) and in light of your newer habit of deliberately mucking up Bethany Theological Seminary (fully accredited and now located next to Earlham School of Religion) with Bethany of Dothan. You refer to Golden State University and Golden State School of Theology interchangeably.

    Your historical shenanigans regarding the "Evangelical Protestants" were exposed in this forum. Your sidling up to the Unitarian Universalist Christian Fellowship and to the National Association of Congregational Christian Churches apprently vanished with the morning dew. Your peddling of the Peshitta seems to have subsided. Depending on who was listening at any given moment, you have presented yourself at various points from the far left to the far right of nonliturgical American Protestantism and have bounced all over the Restoration map almost as much as, say, Sidney Rigdon.

    Do not thank me for pointing out an item, now withdrawn (as of this evening) from your church's website, about which you presume (as of this evening) to dissemble or prefer to misremember. What the link went to was NOT "About the Christian church" but an interminable diatribe of yours against Baker Book House, in which you guilelessly repeated their negative assessments of your intellectual character amid ranting invective of your own against that company, relating apparently to their belief that you had used material of theirs without proper permission. You have now removed the link. You are now misrepresenting to us what it used to display. Perhaps your memory is troubling you; I wouldn't know.

    So, please, Eminence, forbear thanking me and forswear calling me your friend. I wish neither your thanks nor your friendship. When your biography, religious affiliations, and academic provenance (past, present, and future) assume a fixed canonical form, do let us all know.
    We all, I am sure, wait with bated breath for more light and truth to break forth from your holy word.

    Carpathicus
     
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  18. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Gus Sainz said, in part, "Here on DegreeInfo you list a D.Th. on aed you list a Ph.D. (with the caveat that you haven’t yet been accepted to Vista University, South Africa, and the dissertation is still in review) Have ye no shame?..."

    I am sorry Gus, I forgot to address this. Please forgive me. I inquired about the D.Th. at Vista. Dr. Howcroft, through his assistant, Zane Dolly, asked me to submit a dissertation proposal for review. Several weeks' later I received an email from Dr. Howcroft stating he had been advised Vista was not going to accept any more applications due to the impending merger. I was advised on AED not to go ahead because of the merger but in my haste and stubborness I did anyway. So, I am waiting. Yes, you're probably right, as you are a good deal of the time. Posting the D.Th. with the statement I am waiting to decide probably isn't a good thing. I got the idea from someone on AED and kind of liked it. I should have my decision within a few weeks. Natal liked my dissertation proposal of Pastoral Care and Addictions: An Effective Therapeutic Program for Those Working with the Addicted Populations in the Community of Faith. I am actually looking forward to it.
     
  19. Guest

    Guest Guest


    First, I wish to thank Bruce and Chip for allowing me to post again. In appreciation to him for this gesture of goodwill I made some promises to him in regards to the nature, quality and content of my subsequent posts. I intend to keep those promises. Second, responding to questions about past posts, activities, interactions, involvements, etc., would be a useless waste of time, energy and effort. No one’s mind would be changed and no new friendships would develop. There is also the very real possibility any recant, explanation or retraction I make will be seen by many as disingenuous regardless of the depth of my sincerity. Therefore it would be an exercise in futility. However, I will say this. Yes, I have made some unwise decisions and bad choices in the past. Yes, in shameful attempts to impress and to “think more highly of myself than I ought,” I became aligned and affiliated with organizations, institutions and people of questionable credibility. Yes, I have received some degrees and certifications that are useless and only good for vainglorious reasons. Yes, I made some dubious claims. I regret this and repudiate those organizations, institutions, people, degrees, certifications and claims. I further apologize for any acerbic, volatile, vitriolic comments, remarks or criticisms I have made against anyone on here. I hereby extend the hand of fellowship and reconciliation and hope you will clasp it.
     
  20. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    I am, sir, able to read more than one thread. You keep doing what you say you no longer do, even in the very act of saying you no longer do it.

    This is not cheap grace. This is not even antinomianism. This is flummery.

    It doesn't matter how unctuously you proclaim your repentance from behavior in which you engage nonstop. It doesn't matter how often you quote yourself. It doesn't matter how often you quote me.

    Your church website says "where your past is null and void." Do tell.
     

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