Arizona conducts criminial investigation on the BATFE and company on Fast and Furious

That's exactly what it is, and the ironic thing is that my new (issued about 6 months ago) duty pistol, the SIG-Sauer P-220, only holds 8 rounds in the magazine. Then again, I'd rather one torso hit on an assailant with a .45 ACP than 2 hits with 9X19 rounds.

As for firepower, Evan Marshall once said "A handgun is most useful to fight your way to a shoulder weapon". Anytime I go to a call involving a gun or shots-fired, the shotgun leaves the cruiser with me.

I literally laughed out loud when I read that.

I'll say it again; in 24 years and dozens of firearms recovered, I've taken a properly licensed gun owner into custody exactly twice, and that was only because they were intoxicated; they slept it off, and were released with no criminal charges.

I've NEVER seen a crime committed with a firearm by a legal gun owner.

 

I'll have to dig, but there was an anti-gun article in the NY Times (I know right? How likely is that?) where they actually broke down the statistics of gun owners who committed gun crimes vs. everyone else. The paragraph was deep in the article but the rate of crime for gun owners was less than 1%. Still it was an anti gun article so they had their rationalization hamster going full speed until they came to the "correct" conclusion (guns and gun owners bad elite's good)and completely missed the raw data right in front of them.

Theres a guy who has a webcam fixed onto his AR15 with some absurd caption about waiting for the gun to go off and kill someone. Its been up for years.

 

After Florida instituted "shall issue" legislation for handgun permits, less than 1/10th of 1% of the licenses were later revoked for misuse or criminal conduct.

There's probably more than one, but this one always cracks me up;

Smith and Wesson Cam

 

Assault Weapon Watch

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The HK-21 we are monitoring was turned in for a $25 Chuck E. Cheese gift certificate at a local gun buyback program we were volunteering at near a New Jersey pre-school. We are convinced this was the assault rifle that will commit violence if ever there was one. Instead of a magazine of 20 or 30 rounds it has a whole "belt" of ammunition like you see in old war movies! It is missing a bayonet lug and folding stock but, with your generous donations, we will be working on obtaining these to complete this epitome of pure evil. It weights over 20 lbs! Imagine the thugs that carry this around all day, unleashing destruction on unsuspecting innocents!

Weapon of choice for:
Airplane hijacking, jaywalking, convenience store robberies

 

This is obviously from a unreliable source, like Faux News (hahahahah I'm laughing at my own immense amount of cleverness there, do you see what I did instead of spelling it correctly I used a word that sounds almost the same but has an ironic meaning....hehehehehe oh look its the new IPhone.....) there are bunch of democrats on that list. All of the democrats, in the guise of "fairness" have donated all of their money back to the government for more EBT cards, so this is quite clearly a fake. Who did this, Tom Brokaw....I mean Hush Bimbo.....the leader of racist white republicans who want to kill black people and make women into whores for all to enjoy?

 

@Bruce, a Sig 220 is a great duty weapon. I carried one plain clothes for about 2 years until switching over to a Sig 229 in .40 S&W. That said I'd rather hit a perp twice with a 9mm than one .45, but that's only because I do not believe in 1 shot stops. I think you keep shooting until the threat is removed, not "shoot and see what happens". I'm sure you agree. Also I took a tactical handgun course at Tiger Valley (SWAT Training) and tactical shooting via Thunder Ranch (Clint Smith) and in the rapid handgun drills I couldn't keep up with a .45, especially the reloads (I had to reload twice for every 1 of the other guys). I switched to .40 and eventually got it but the guys with Glock 19s were creaming me. I tried a go at it with a Glock 19 and went through the shoot house like a squirrel on meth, fast, fast, fast. I loved the 9mm after that experience but I also love the .45 and sometimes in a shooting you only get the chance at 1 shot and it has to count. So there's something to be said for that too.

As for the shotgun, Remington 870 is hands down my favorite. Reliable to a fault, in fact it's really, really dang hard to break one.

@ Everyone, I think you all will find this interesting. Texas keeps meticulous records on CHL holders and PUBLICLY publishes everything 100% transparency to include who has a CHL. That's right my neighbors can see if I'm licensed to carry or not (some people like it, some don't. The funny thing is CHL holders account for less than 1% convictions in TX for pretty much any crime and usually are less that 1/10th of a percent. And for murder? 0.000% almost every year (in fact it may be every year I just haven't looked at ALL the reports. Texas DPS - CHL Conviction Rates Reports

Weird, CHL holders just don't seem to do a lot of robbin', rapin' and killin' but they have certainly put the kibosh on a lot of violent crime over the past decade or so.

By the way, I just bought a S&W .380 Bodyguard for a pocket carry gun... I am so stoked!

 

We were only issued 2 spare magazines, so I bought 2 more, plus a quad magazine pouch, so now I'm actually carrying more ammo than I did with the prior P-226 in .40 caliber. As for 9mm's, they can be effective with the right ammo; the round we were issued when we carried 9mm's was the sub-sonic hollowpoint, which has an abysmal stopping record. I carry Cor-Bon 115 grain +P+ hollowpoints in my my off-duty Glock 26, and those have some serious oomph behind them.

We carry Mossberg 500's with the 14-inch barrel, so we can mount the rack above the headrests. We also have full-length (18 inch) Remington 870's available for cruisers with no shotgun lock.

I've never shot one, but I've heard good things about them.

 

Mossberg makes a great shotgun, the aluminum receivers can cause havoc when they get hot though. We had shells getting stuck due to I believe brass expansion in the chamber, not sure. Honestly the Marine nickle plated Remington 870s did the same thing so I blame ammo more than the guns. Either way we switched to parkerized 870s and never once had a problem.

Good for you on the extra 2 magazines, a quick reload with a single stack takes some practice though. I'm sure you've done plenty but just make sure you can do it on the move. I had trouble at first and there is nothing more frustrating than dropping a fully loaded magazine during a tactical reload.

The 9mm 147gr. subsonic rounds are good for 2 things only, penetration and not giving a supersonic "crack" when fired from a supressed gun. I carried 147gr. for a while primarily because the passed the FBI's penetration tests and were one of their few approved rounds. I later switched to Gold Dot 124gr. and Remington Golden Sabre 124gr. both of which are excellent reputationally. Also the Winchester Rangers are reported to be awesome. I have a list somewhere of approved ammo but I'll have to dig for it. Basically the Feds wanted a round that penetrated at least 17 inches of ballistic gel, would be able to penetrate a front car windshield and "x" amount of inches in gel after that without the bullet fragmenting apart, etc. It was a pretty tough test for 9mm rounds and only a handful made the cut. The .40 S&W did well but I can't remember how the .45 did. Anyhow it was interesting reading the report.

The report made such a lasting impression on me that I'll likely carry FMJ .380s as those were the only rounds that passed the 17 inch ballistic gel test. The idea is shot placement counts but shot placement means nothing if your round fails to penetrate adequately (like the Miami Dade shootout).

 

Is that green like as in tree-hugger or green like as in moolah?

 

Hey Bruce, I was wrong, it was a minimum of 12 inches penetration with 18 inches preferred by the FBI. This should be mandatory reading for every police officer in America http://www.firearmstactical.com/pdf/fbi-hwfe.pdf

Also not the kinetic energy difference between the 9mm. The example was a 9mm is like a 1lb weight being dropped on you from 6ft (approx) whereas the .45 would be like 11ft (approx).

Here is various ammo testing data Personal Defense Ammunition Performance Data

 

The Moolah, of course! Mitt Romney has the "cheddar."

 

Thanks for the link!

When I was in the Gulf War, we still carried M1911A1's, being a National Guard unit. One day we were speaking to some Egyptian soldiers through our Kuwaiti translator; they wanted to see my pistol, so I unloaded it and handed to them, and they let me look at one of theirs (early generation SA-only Beretta 9mm). There were three of them crowded around, looking down the barrel of my .45, and they were visibly impressed. One of them said something that caused the Kuwaiti translator to laugh, so I asked what he said.

The Kuwaiti said "He said that with this gun, if you run out of ammunition, you can crawl inside the barrel and hide".