Anyone having idea/experience about Atlantic International University

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  1. Sosuba

    Sosuba New Member

    Ok. Well that is not exactly true as my employer does accept the degree. And I do understand the accreditation differences. However, I gather that your understanding may be US-centric. Accreditation has many different meanings and value depending on where you are in the world. In the UK accreditation isn't valuable but a quality assurance check is. Where I live, only about 12 percent of Universities are accredited. Most people don't even consider it when choosing a school. The US is clearly different. It may come as a shock to some, but not everyone emulates or even cares how the US does things.
     
  2. Sosuba

    Sosuba New Member

    And as far as that lawsuit, thank you for posting. I was aware of that. But I don't believe the case to be so serious (as to change my decision) advertising issues in which AIU was being misleading about accreditation. This was twenty years ago and they have fixed the issue. Schools have several lawsuits brought against them all of the time. The US Justice Department sued Yale recently... Purdue, Harvard, UCONN have all had lawsuits brought against them. Some very serious allegations and others not so serious.
    It IS smart to be aware though and when it comes to legal issues. I am.
     
  3. Johann766

    Johann766 Member

    Regarding the lawsuit: everybody here knows that Atlantic University is not state recognized anywhere and after a quick look at the homepage I've to say that I don't find anything that would claim state recognition.
    A potential Student should know that too in my opinion or find it out before he enrolls.

    Asic accreditation seems to be a Minimum Minimum standard and if a school has that I'd conclude that it's at least not a complete mill. But That's Just an impression without any real knowledge about how asic accreditation process is being conducted.

    However around 18.000 Dollars for a "doctoral degree" of that kind seems ridiculously overpriced in my opinion.

    https://www.aiu.edu/Tuition.html
     
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  4. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Atlantic International University awards degrees that are unaccredited in the US, as Americans view it. It is not accredited by an accreditor recognized by the Department of Education (DOE) or the Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA).

    Atlantic International University awards degrees that are unaccredited in the UK, as the British view it. It is not a recognised body or a recognised award.

    You say that in the UK accreditation isn't valuable, that's incorrect. Instead, the process of being recognized as a valid degree is different. In the US there are independent accrediting agencies that are recognized by DOE/CHEA. In the UK, there are recognized bodies with degree-granting authority. In Canada, there are Acts of Parliament which confer degree-granting authority on an organization. AIU doesn't have one of those either.

    In none of these places does AIU have the recognition needed for a degree to be accepted. Your employer not exercising due diligence doesn't change the fact. Any attempt to make this about ethnocentrism ignores that AIU has no recognition where it is headquartered or elsewhere. https://files.hawaii.gov/auditor/Reports/2014/14-03.pdf It also appears on this list of unaccredited institutions in Hawaii.

    For the record: this board has been supportive of titulo propio when it's clear the institution awarding them is not attempting to mislead about its status.
     
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  5. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    You're right. Not everyone emulates the way the US does things. This school being in the US, however, and not doing things the way the US does things is (or should be) a red flag for anyone.

    If you're all into homeopathy and find a homeopathy school that is in a country where homeopathy is regulated, such as India, and where the local regulators still say it's a shame....why would you consider going to that school? Is one being "India centric" when they apply the standards of India to a school located in India?

    Come on now.

    I'm glad your employee accepts (read: doesn't really care about) your degree. Future employers may not be so generous to you.
     
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  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    AIU operates from the state of Hawaii.
    Not listed as authorized in that state.
    Schools that is headquartered in the US at the minimum has to be approved in the state it headquartered.
    Pioneer Plaza, 900 Fort Street Mall 905 Honolulu, HI 96813, United States

    http://cca.hawaii.gov/hpeap/authorized-schools/
     
  7. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    http://cca.hawaii.gov/hpeap/files/2014/11/HPEAP-Brochure102115.pdf

    Authorized since 2015 a few schools listed, but not AU, AIU

    The Hawaii Post-Secondary Education Authorization Program (HPEAP) operates within the Department of Commerce and Consumer Affairs pursuant to Hawaii Revised Statutes Chapter 305J. HPEAP authorizes accredited, degree-granting institutions physically present in Hawaii. Purely online institutions are not required to be authorized but they maychoose to apply for authorization.

    https://cca.hawaii.gov/hpeap/
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    Private Trade, Vocational or Technical Schools
    Licensed Schools for 2019-2021


    https://www.hawaiipublicschools.org/TeachingAndLearning/PTVT/Private-Trade-Vocational-Technical-Schools/Pages/home.aspx
     
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  8. Sosuba

    Sosuba New Member

    You're right... My employer doesn't really care. Because to them a legal degree awarding school is enough. That's one. Two... I have worked for years as a skilled specialisation psychologist, so this isn't even needed, just something they will add to their site to make the company look better. And I may have worded wrong when I said UK accreditation isn't valuable. I meant not in the same way as it is in the US. FULL DISCLOSURE here: I don't need the degree. I am already a licensed attorney, licensed psychologist and licensed educator. Tbh I planned on opening a school of my own and thought that having a phd in an education related field would (being honest here) get me more clients. So when I dug and learned that AIU is not actually a degree mill (more on that later), is legally operating, affordable and based in the US, I decided it would do for my purpose. Disclaimer: I can not think of one other person who I would recommend this school to. Unless they had such a unique situation as mine. I DO live in a developing country...
    Back to the degree mill thing. My assignments for each course consists of video lectures and reading material (not so much engagement and not having any "real professors" IMO. But I am required to write a 15-20 page paper (single spaced) at the end of each course. And I learned that the grading standard is high. Last month I half assed a paper. I'm stressed, exhausted etc. Just figured I'd do something and get it turned in. Well I was graded accordingly aka not so well *smile.* So while I understand that it is not a high quality school... It is not selling degrees. I wouldn't do that. And when I'm done, it will basically just look good here and hopefully help me to attract the type of clients I want.
    So as I said before, if you want to love or work in the US, any western country really, a degree from AIU is worthless. I'm not arguing that point. Just explaining my personal reasons for choosing this school and why it will work for me. I dont need to try to transfer credits etc. But my situation is unique.
     
  9. Sosuba

    Sosuba New Member

    Thankfully I'm technically self employed and do not rely on this degree for any employment whatsoever. If you read my lower comment, (of you're interested) you can see why.
     
  10. Sosuba

    Sosuba New Member

    I happen to live in India, so I like the example. But the situation here is too complex in reality to be so simply stated. There is pretty much no regulation with this regards, many tourists have been duped into paying for Yoga training courses that are "simply stated" Fake. Most of the time, no one ever knows. It's a very different world here.
     
  11. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    I'm okay with unaccredited, but if a school isn't even state-authorized that leaves too much wiggle room for shenanigans. It also shows no intent to ever become accredited either, so that's another concern.
     
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  12. Sosuba

    Sosuba New Member

     
  13. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    But AIU isn't that. They don't have authorization to award degrees in Hawaii. They may not be a mill as far as they are attempting to provide an education but that doesn't make them any better than a mill as far as them taking money under false pretenses.
     
  14. datby98

    datby98 Member

    EUCLID has similar requirements. They call them response paper or major paper for each week. I think they do not carefully scrutinize the workload for students, or just pretend to be rigorous so that students are not able to complete their programs in 2-3 years by the weekly small "thesis."
     
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  15. datby98

    datby98 Member

    Hi Sosuba, do you happen to know Texila American University? My gut feeling is this is an India-run university calling itself "American", but not sure if it is a mill.
     
  16. Sosuba

    Sosuba New Member

    As far as I know that University is in Gyana
     
  17. Sosuba

    Sosuba New Member

    They do legally aqard degeees
     
  18. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    No they don't. They are not on the list of Hawaii authorized schools. https://cca.hawaii.gov/hpeap/authorized-schools/

    The State said as much when it sued AIU in 2002 leading to a 2004 settlement. https://files.hawaii.gov/dcca/ocp/udgi/lawsuits/AIU/atlantic_intl_u_sj.pdf

     
  19. Sosuba

    Sosuba New Member

    Yes they do. They are allowed to award degrees without accreditation. The org you refer to only authorises accreditated schools.
    "Does HPEAP only authorize accredited degree-granting institutions?
    Yes, and “accredited” means holding an institutional accreditation by name to offer post-secondary education as a United States-based institution from a regional or national accrediting agency recognized by the U.S. Department of Education.

    Unaccredited degree-granting institutions should contact the Office of Consumer Protection at [email protected] for information.


    If you dig a little more, you can find the rules for unaccredited schools: must have physical presence, 25 or more Hawain students etc. It's all out there.
     
  20. Sosuba

    Sosuba New Member

    The major legal issue when they got sued jad almost nothing to do with that lost but advertisment practices/leading people to believe they were accredited.
    Here, you can read more on the rules and requirements: http://cca.hawaii.gov/ocp/udgi/
     
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