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  1. Kizmet

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    Unless these students are getting a bunch of grants and scholarships, which are available at the private U.S. universities they compared Canadian schools to, then I don't get it. They're comparing government-supported, Canadian schools with private schools in the U.S. From the tuition rates they listed for the Canadian schools, plenty of good, public universities in the U.S. are the same price or less.
     
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    As I remarked recently to Johann, my middle son started studying French in middle school and is considering applying to universities in Quebec. It probably wouldn't be as cheap as a Virginia public university, but he may decide it's worth it for the experience.
     
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    Oh, it might just surprise you, Steve. For historical reasons, tuition in Quebec is about one-half (or less) that of most other provinces.

    Here are current stats, poached from the Internet.

    "Currently, a year's tuition at a Quebec university costs on average $2,519 (when fees for all disciplines are averaged), according to Statistics Canada figures. The second-lowest tuition fees in the country are in Newfoundland and Labrador, at an average of $2,649 per year."

    $2,519 - beat that, you Virginians! :smile: That's what - about $1,800 in "real" (US) money? That's near South African rates! 4 years, $7,200 US!

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    Well, je me souviens, then!
     
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    We had a thread about Quebec tuition costs a couple of years back, Steve. It's here if you want it:

    http://www.degreeinfo.com/general-distance-learning-discussions/42129-canadians-protest-tuition-increases.html

    Something I didn't know before was that fees in Newfoundland-Labrador are almost as low. Memorial University is known as a great school, too. And the interior of Newfoundland is one of the most beautiful and varied wild places on the face of the earth. Newfoundlanders are great people - very hospitable. The traditional music is terrific. Although I don't care for the traditional food much, others might.

    That's another good thing about Quebec. Great eating! I don't think I've ever encountered a bad restaurant in the Province - unless you count the burger chains etc. Any stand-alone bad one wouldn't last a day there. :smile:

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    One of my grad school classmates at MSPP went to the University of Guelph for undergrad. She said it was a lot cheaper than school in the US, and she knew she was going to grad school, so it was basically an entry ticket.
     
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    I'm seeing that the tuition and fees for most of University of Guelph's undergraduate programs are around $8,500 or higher for international students. I just don't see the logic of moving to another country to pay the same tuition and fees you could pay in-state.
     
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    That's a lot cheaper than resident tuition for the University of Massachusetts (where she is from), and still cheaper than the __________ State Universities. Massachusetts seems to have among the highest resident tuition of state schools.
     
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    It's true and unfortunate for several reasons, including the fact that the UMass system has a very nice set of DL programs.
     
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    Because spending time in another country is exciting and educational in its own right?

    Well for some people, anyway. I met an old woman on Anguilla once, an island just sixteen miles long with about 9000 people, who'd never been to the other end of Anguilla because she'd "never had a reason to go".
     
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    In general, I suppose so, Steve - but I live quite near Guelph. They have an excellent veterinary school and clinic at the University. Back around 25 years ago, my cat, Lightnin', lost a nasty fight with a Buick and had surgery there. Ol' Lightnin' (I named him after bluesman Sam "Lightnin' " Hopkins) had so much metal put in him I was going to re-name him "Robo-Cat!" Thanks to brilliant treatment, he had a long life thereafter - and it was as happy as you could expect, considering that he had to live with me. :smile:

    Guelph is pleasant, but definitely NOT a place I'd call exciting. It's quite pretty and they have a good guitar shop - and craft breweries - all the sort of things you'd expect in a University town. The school itself has a fine reputation. I'll take what Guelph has over excitement, any day. But (sigh) I'm 73...

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    He probably is thinking more of McGill, Université Laval, or Université du Québec.
     
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    De bons choix, bien sûr! :smile:

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    I see. Most other states have several universities with in-state tuition rates that are under $10,000.

    My post should be read in the context of the article in the OP, which is about cost.
     
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    The in-state rate for SUNY Schools is around $22,500 per year. The real savings is at CUNY schools where you'll only pay $6,330 per year. Of course, if you don't live in/near NYC, that means you need to live in NYC which is going to add more expense to your experience. A kid from Buffalo can't just commute home to save cash.

    But I can also understand why someone might choose McGill over Brooklyn College.

    Rutgers in-state tuition is $10,954. Penn State charges $17,514 for PA residents.

    Aside from the excitement of it all international (even if its only to Canada) living experiences are generally impressive to employers in a variety of industries. Globalized economy and all. You might very well work for an seemingly American insurance company that is owned by a Korean hat company by way of a French meat packing conglomerate.

    So it certainly can be cheaper for a lot of people in this country. Not going to apply to every kid in every state but the densely populated northeastern ones seem to benefit from such a move (it's also not such a drastic move from here).
     
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    But you said, "I just don't see the logic of moving to another country to pay the same tuition and fees you could pay in-state." If the cost is the same, then the decision gets based on something else, which is what I thought we were then discussing.
     
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    Is it cheap to live anywhere desirable in Canada. How much are people typically paying for student housing in Canada? By the way John Jay is an excellent school that I wouldn't mind attending, but I'm a CJ person.
     
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    I looked up the tuition rates for SUNY campuses. You listed cost with room and board. Their in-state tuition rates are around the national average.
     
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    No - I wouldn't call anywhere "cheap." Real estate prices are generally very very high and some other prices have followed suit. We didn't have a subprime crisis here and house prices have gone one way for a long time. Rents have followed. Other prices - well, none I can think of that can be called "cheap" - especially compared to most daily needs and consumer goods in the US. I read the other day that my homw province (Ontario) is said to have "the worst electricity market in the world." Maritimes can be less expensive, but their cities - e.g. Halifax, St. John, are not "cheap" and in smaller places - you pay the price of isolation.

    Student digs? The college where I'm sitting right now charges $7,200 for the academic year, to live in residence. A meal plan is mandatory and costs $2,500 to $3,400 depending on the options. You can likely get a room (in a house) off-campus for $400 to $500 a month and cook for yourself in a communal kitchen.

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