Amber Thurman should be alive. Georgia abortion law killed her.

But sure, let's get scared of 4B on TikTok.

 

The family members of American girls and women killed by criminal undocumented migrants who entered by way of the southern border during the Biden-Harris administration confronted lawmakers in Washington in a fiery, emotional hearing.

“Each one of these individuals was someone’s child,” Chairman said in his opening statement. “Each one is a victim of the Biden-Harris border policies.”

The hearing stretched over 5 1/2 hours with breaks for votes, often after hearing the heartbreaking accounts from the victims’ loved ones.

Democrats largely lamented that Republicans had not worked on a bipartisan basis to pass immigration reform over the past year and a half, while Republicans blamed President and Vice President Harris for implementing border policies that had led to a record-high of millions migrant encounters since taking office, overwhelming the immigration system and allowing unvetted people into the country.

The Department of Homeland Security has maintained that it screens and vets immigrants based on the information available at the time of screening. However, the witnesses on site offered contradicting accounts for how suspects in their daughters’ cases had managed to get in despite criminal histories and gang affiliation.
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The 4B is a separate issue, this one is more concerning. All these victims should have been alive.

 

Republicans hadn't worked on border security and immigration reform in a bipartisan manner since 2006, and you keep supporting them, Lerner. By far the best chance for a real progress on this would have been to elect Harris/Waltz, who committed to the Lankford bill.

4B is, literally, young women trying to execute their rights to free speech and bodily autonomy. The fact that THIS is what bothers you the most is a great illustration of the kind of brain worms "conservative " (reactionary, really) infosphere keeps spreading.

 

You are mastering distortions, there are many issues out there that bother people, we are not in a Communist, or former Soviet country where you are told what to think in a thought police.
The 4B in my eyes is part of an attack on a family, you can have another opinion. But what you call it is also true, but it's only part of it, yet there is a deeper issue, an attack on a family.
As to abortions laws, the state laws are state laws, people can vote democratically to make new state laws. It's an issue that is polarizing people, not everyone has the same view as yours and guess what in US its Ok to have different views.
Family under attack does bother me, to bad its not bothering you but its a free country.

 

I cant believe it needs to be said, but illegal immigrants have nothing yo do with this person’s death. She died from a treatable medical condition that was blocked due to arcane laws.

 

In both cases, deaths are blamed on politics and policies.

 

Except in your example the person was brought to justice.

What justice will be done for Amber Thurman?

 

No. It is not an attack on your family. At all.
Let me tell you again: demonizing women for refraining from sex has a rape-y vibe. Then again, so called "conservatives" just elected a rapist President, with your apparent support. So I shouldn't be surprised.

 

Again you are twisting and distorting.
It's OK to have a different view.
The attack is on Family not my family but the Institution called family.

 

Research compiled by sociologist Brad Wilcox and family studies scholar Alan J. Hawkins found children with married parents were far less likely to experience social and emotional problems like depression and far more likely to pursue higher education. According to Wilcox and Hawkins, these social disparities are only increasing.

Married families also experience more economic stability than single-parent or cohabiting homes. Wilcox and Hawkins found children with married parents four times less likely to experience poverty than those with single or unmarried parents. The findings echo those of economist Melissa Kearney, who writes,

On average, stable, married families enjoy markedly higher levels of financial security and resources than non-intact families.
Marriage socially and financially equips couples to have children. Outside this support system, pregnancy becomes a daunting obstacle many women choose to abort rather than face. If the 4B movement truly decreases extramarital sex, pro-lifers should be thrilled.

That being said, the 4B movement’s accidental protection of preborn babies doesn’t erase its ideological opposition to life and women.

That’s right — for all its feminist aspirations, the 4B movement is not pro-women. All available historical and sociological evidence suggest women thrive in partnership with men, not isolation from them.

 

4. Radical Feminism vs. Liberal Feminism: There are different strands within the broader feminist movement. More radical approaches, which may be associated with the 4B Movement, might be more critical of traditional family structures. In contrast, more liberal feminists might focus on gender equality within the family but not call for the dismantling of the institution itself.
However, it's important to note that not everyone involved in the 4B Movement would agree with all of these critiques, and some may support more inclusive or flexible interpretations of family that emphasize equality and respect for diverse family forms. The core idea is usually not to dismantle family per se but to challenge the ways that it has historically been structured to reinforce patriarchal norms.

Modern marigies in the US already adjusted to such partnerships.

 

With Jihadists and women not having sex around every corner, the world is a frightening place.

 

But the real threat to the United States is not terrorism. The real threat is Islamism, whose sophisticated forces have collaborated with some on the American Left not only to undermine U.S. national security but also to shred the fabric of American constitutional democracy freedom and individual liberty.
Sending money to Iran funding anti West agenda.

 

Sorry Lerner, you seem to have lost it. My last post was supposed to be a joke but this one is completely serious.

 

Oh, Institution. Well, wrecking reproductive care threatens actual families. Including Amber Thurman's. Including mine, as my girls are approaching reproductive age. Moreover, Trump-emboldened manosphere freaks pose a direct, clear, present danger to women. The very article you yourself posted about 4B paints a stark picture of widespread misogyny and even violence against women. "Incels" are an actual, right-wing, terrorist ideology targeting women in actual terrorist acts. Placing concerns for an "Institution" above concerns about both families and living people is the very hallmark of extremism (the real one, not fake "extremism" of a TikTok trend like American 4B wannabes). What gives?

I'll tell you what. You are influenced by a bubble created by the Trump GOP. Which is not concerned with the "Institution of family", not even "hetero" one. That concern is not compatible with elevating a serial adulterer and a sexual predator Donald Trump to a cult-like position. Think about it for a bit: Don the Creep as the champion of "the Family"? Really? They just use the rhetoric to seduce the likes of you. What is it about instead? Simple: oppression of women. In the case of the line you're parroting, demonizing 4B for exercising control over their own bodies - oppression in the most direct, rape-y way. Do better.

 

For the record, tradition is decidedly ambivalent on marriage:
"25 Now about virgins: I have no command from the Lord, but I give a judgment as one who by the Lord’s mercy is trustworthy. 26 Because of the present crisis, I think that it is good for a man to remain as he is. 27 Are you pledged to a woman? Do not seek to be released. Are you free from such a commitment? Do not look for a wife. 28 But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this." 1 Corinthians 7.

 

Sounds at least as bad as 4B, worse since I’m against misogyny.

 

Actually, sounds like silly culture wars were already raging within a then-tiny community of the Disciples, and Paul of Tarsus was wisely trying to calm the storm. From his specific celibate perspective.

I used to read from sources that would know (a certain not-dissident cleric who was Russia's most prominent public theologian) that Eastern Christian pastoral thought is too skewed by the domination of monastic writers and is not all that pro-family. I bet Roman Catholic tradition with their celibate clergy has a similar issue.

 

I'm not sure which "threat" is more outlandish. Muslims taking over the USA or no one having babies anymore.

The USA birthrate has been steadily declining over years down to about 12 births per 1000 people. That, of course, has absolutely nothing to do with the super tiny 4B type folks though. Thank goodness we have plenty of immigration.

There are an estimated 4,453,908 Muslims in the United States, which is about 1.34% of the total population. Islam is the third-largest religion in the country, after Christianity and Judaism. All the Muslims that I've ever meet were super nice people. I think it's safe to say that there's close to a zero percent chance of either "danger", at least in our lifetimes.