Alt.left print media hemorrhaging financially

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  1. me again

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    As promised and predicted:

    Full story:
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-times-looks-to-philanthropy-to-help-fund-journalism-projects-1504298040
     
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    That's a shame.

    :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
     
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    Print media outlets of all kinds have been failing for years. This is nothing even remotely new.
     
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    Jeff Bezos buying the Washington Post despite its lack of profitability is the model here. I don't think that's the last daily newspaper that will become a status symbol of conspicuous consumption for the superrich.
     
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    Alt.left MSM print media (Old Model) v. Internet (New Model)

    The traditional or historical method of making money through advertising in print media (old model) is antiquated and is failing. The alt.left socialists placed ALL of their financial and political eggs in that basket. It was the only existing media model. TV became an extension of the alt.left print media.

    For decades, socialists have been purchasing all of the MSM print media outlets and major TV networks (old model). In the 1990s (Rush Limbaugh via radio) and in the early 21st Century (Fox News via TV) were some of the first conservative outlets to counter the alt.left owned propaganda machine. That was just a precursor of newer media technologies to come via the internet. The internet is now exploding at unprecedented levels.

    Today, alt.left print media (old model) is failing because it is rapidly being replaced by inexpensive internet outlets (new model), which provides conservative freedom-loving American patriots a substantive alternative to alt.left MSM brainwashing. That is what is new.
     
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    Veblen good, Steve: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veblen_good

    The development of Thorstein Veblen's sociology of conspicuous consumption produced the term invidious consumption, the ostentatious consumption of goods that is meant to provoke the envy of other people; and the term conspicuous compassion, the deliberate use of charitable donations of money in order to enhance the social prestige of the donor, with a display of superior socio-economic status.[3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspicuous_consumption


    Maybe there will some day be a Foerster wing of a hospital. ;-)
     
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    Of course, the real takeaway from this thread is that you use citations from the mainstream media when you think they support your case and then you completely demean and disregard those same sources when they say something you don't like. To quote one of our other esteemed members,

    How Conveeeeeenient!!!!
     
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    Yes, exactly! And the price will go up, because the number of widely recognized daily newspapers isn't very large.

    Well, I suppose some would say that a proctology wing would be a suitable tribute....
     
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    The Wall Street Journal isn't part of the Democrat propaganda cabal. Do you honestly think the New York Times would touch that story with a bargepole?
     
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    I'm sorry. I've never been given a list. It's hard to keep track because it seems that we've got the Main Stream Media, which would seem to include the Wall Street Journal. And now we've got the Democratic Propaganda Cabal. Shall we call them the DPC? And so the DPC is a nefarious subset of the MSM? It's all so complicated. It's almost like people just make this stuff up as they go along.:dunno:
     
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    It does make things confusing when conservatives decry the "mainstream media", as though the term doesn't also include Fox News, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Times, among others.
     
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    That's actually a pretty comprehensive list of media news outlets that don't display absurd bias to the left.

    Not very long, is it?
     
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    On the one hand, I entirely agree that more mainstream outlets lean left than right. And I find that in the Trump era, those on the left have abandoned their previous pretence at objectivity. For example, because it's convenient in the car I have listened to a lot more NPR than I might have otherwise, and while it was always left-leaning, in the last year it's veered sharply to the left. Even Marketplace makes me shout corrections at the radio now, to the point where I've mostly given up on the radio altogether and listen to Pandora over bluetooth.

    On the other hand, in part because of this, the mainstream media outlets on the right are awfully prominent. And it does't surprise me that as a result they're financially healthier, e.g., the Washington Times is profitable (finally) even while the Washington Post is not.
     
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    Alt.left media = Propaganda, lies and FAKE NEWS

    The alt.left media are proud Democratic puppets (mouth pieces) that are bought and paid-for by communists. They make no apologies for their biased agenda. What's ironic is that their platforms were, at one time, world-renowned for objective and unbiased journalistic reporting (prior to being bought-out by socialists). Conversely, they are now world-renowned for spewing Goebbels-like propaganda. Instead of reporting objective news, they now create news to fit an unyielding communistic dogma. However, they will eventually yield to bankruptcy because patriotic Americans don't like being courted with "propaganda, lies and FAKE NEWS" (which is the downfall of the alt.left media). You know it's true.
     
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    Some may have been so touted but bias is a given.
     
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    The mainstream media is pretty useless, yes. But what I know isn't true is that someone is "communist" or "Goebbels-like" just because I disagree with them. I mean, do you talk like this in your theology classes? :rolleyes:
     
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    SteveFoerster, please click here to see proof of alt.left media bias with "Goebbels-like propaganda headliners." Propaganda takes the truth and mixes it with bombastic lies in an attempt to sway an uninformed public. Patriotic Americans see through that alt.left charade, which is why the alt.left media (and the DNC platform) is hemorrhaging financially. Nobody is going to buy that crap -- and once advertisers figure that out, then....

    SteveFoerster, please click here to review the Apostle Paul's behavior, regarding how he acted in various and diverse venues. It is relevant for today too. He was on to something!
     
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    I don't think that I'd call the New York Times 'alt.left'. It's as mainstream left as it's possible to be. (So is the Washington Post.)

    The 1970's Manchester Guardian was historically leftier and probably qualified as 'alt.', it was almost like an underground paper of the time. But after it dropped' Manchester' from its name and moved to London, it became mainstream left too. I guess that transformation paralleled the rise of "New Labour" and the ascendency of Tony Blair.

    But the decline in paid circulation that Kizmet and Steve F. refer to is relevant here. As advertising revenues and circulation at print newspapers and news magazines like Time and the Economist shrink, these publications have swapped news reporting for opinion journalism, tailoring themselves for smaller and more targeted readerships, providing a smaller core of demographically desired readers with what they want to see.

    Their editors admit this themselves. As they shrink, these publications become smaller, leaner (opinion doesn't cost as much as news reporting) and more focused on pleasing what are seen as core subscribers.
     
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    The Wall Street Journal is precisely what its name suggests. It was once a specialist business and investment paper focused on an exceedingly rich readership. It broadened out to being a general newspaper serving the same readership in the 1990's perhaps. Just by its nature, it's always been the voice of the Republican party's big-business establishment elite.

    In the 2016 election, it was initially aligned with people like Jeb! and Marco. After Trump won most of the primaries and was nominated, the Journal became the stout bastion of the ostensibly Republican (but in practice pro-Hillary) "never-Trumpers", very opposed to the kind of "populism" (you have to spit that word out angrily) that Trump represented, (the besieged white lower-middle class, so different from the Journal's core readers: hedge-fund guys in the Hamptons and VC guys in Los Altos Hills.) What the WSJ failed to recognize was that Trump's voters were the solid majority of Republican voters while the rich investor class was a small unrepresentative minority. (A minority that most Republican voters neither trust nor like.)

    The Journal's Pulitzer prize winning editorial page editor resigned after Trump was elected (and went to work for the New York Times) and the paper has tried to be less confrontational with the newly elected President. He does represent an opportunity for the fat-cats if Jared and Ivanka can steer him in the desired direction (away from Bannon). I see that the Wall Street Journal is still pushing editorially for amnesty for illegals.
     
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    Oh no, OH NOoooo! If it's not MSM and it's not DPC then how could they possibly be for amnesty?!?! You mean I can't throw away everything they write without even looking at it? You mean I might have to READ it? But what if they say something I don't like? Please say it's not so.
     

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