Ahh - once again the Cons are showing their partisanship

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That's right. It's far worse to accuse an innocent person of murder than it is to accuse them of campaign finance violations.

You're right. You didn't say he was "absolutely innocent." You simply said that he was innocent. Until proven guilty.

And, obviously, if he is not "proven guilty," then you forever consider him innocent.

Not so for a black man:

And if Delay is found not guilty, will you also put it on quotes that he was only "leaglly" found not guilty.

Look, I know what you are getting at.

It's impossible for a black man to be innocent. The best they can hope for is to be "legally not guilty."

Got it.

The presumption of "innocent until proven guilty" only goes so far.

You have admitted that this man was NOT proven guilty, but you still refuse to give him the presumption of innocence.

Oh, I understand.

 

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Why does the left always have to drag race into every discussion? Do you actually think that OJ is typical of most blacks in this country?

BTW, you're not one of those nuts who thinks he didn't do it, are you?

 

You have got to be kidding me!
grgrwll, chill out a little. How in heaven's name did you make that leap.
I say that because the EXACT same thing is going on with the Scott Peterson trial. Everyone knows he did it, most assume he is guilty. It is the exact same general opinion (and BTW, Scott Peterson is NOT black)

 

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No, I'm not. I would bet everything that I own that he did do it.

I'm just making a point that the presumption of innocence is not absolute, and is often foolish.

It's a LEGAL presumption. It has nothing to do with politics, morality, or ethics.

So, are you one of those nuts who think that Tom Delay did not violate campaign laws?

 

Just as "everyone knows" that both Tom Delay and Rush Limbaugh "did it."

But I'm sure you will argue otherwise. The whole point here is that we MUST give Delay and Rush the presumption of innocence. A presumption that other people, for whatever reason, do NOT deserve.

 

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Before the trial, did you think OJ was guilty?

 

Now your just changing the subject. I have not commented once on Tom Delay in this thread, not once. You have no idea what my opinion is.

You stated that the overwhelming belief that OJ was guilty was because of his race, i refuted that with the argument that the same public perception was out there with Scott Peterson, yet he was not black.

Comment on that

 

This thread STARTED by talking about Tom Delay. Please forgive me for assuming that what you were talking about was somehow related to the original topic.

 

Hey grgrwll,

Did you think OJ was guilty before his trial?

 

I said NOTHING of the sort. Why would you make up stuff like that when anyone can just scroll back in the thread and see that I didn't say that?

In fact, I made it clear that *I* thought that O.J. was guilty. O.J. is not the point here. It's the presumption of innocence. Many people will assume that unless Rush or Delay are proven guilty, that they were innocent. In fact, many people here have explicitly stated exactly that.

And many of those same people will assume that even though O.J. was not proven guilty, he is still guilty.

Clearly, it is not about being "innocent until proven guilty." It's about something else. It seems that race might be a big factor, but maybe you could offer another explanation as to why a young black man in Rush's position would be doing time right now, but many conservatives are still arguing that Rush is innocent.

 

Excuse me.
I was posting comments related to your ridiculous references to race, which YOU brought into the thread.

BTW, you still haven't answered my question(s) --You stated that the overwhelming belief that OJ was guilty was because of his race, i refuted that with the argument that the same public perception was out there with Scott Peterson, yet he was not black.

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Before the trial, I hadn't really followed it enough to make an informed decision.

But in the cases we are discussing, you have obviously followed them. So I will ask you:

Do you think that Tom Delay is guilty?

Do you think that Rush is guilty?

 

I don't know, are either one of them black?

 

I tried to answer this nicely. I made it clear that I had said nothing of the sort. In fact, I also pointed out -- twice -- that I actually believe that he was guilty, and that has absolutely nothing to do with race.

But the point is that you failed to point out where I made the statement you claim, but you made the accusation again. That's really pathetic.

I guess that if you can't refute what I stated, you will just make up statements, attribute them to me, and then refute them.

Let me say this very clearly:

YOU ARE A LIAR!

You attributed a statement to me, I pointed out that I hadn't said it, and you did it again. Lies.

 

"Las burlas son víspera de las veras."

 

Here is exactly what you said

"Look, I know what you are getting at. It's impossible for a black man to be innocent. The best they can hope for is to be "legally not guilty."

Got it."

 

You now say that you believe OJ did it. When did you come to that conclusion?

 

A joke on the night before the truth?

Could someone translate for me please, I wouldn't want to miss a complement from grgrwll

 

Now he's gonna call you an idiot for not being bi-lingual.

 

This whole thing reminds me of an Eddie Murphy skit about doing a Jedi Mind Trick on Mr. T.

Mr. T: "O.J. was proven guilty."
Jedi: "No he wasn't."
Mr. T: "OK, maybe he wasn't. Who's the fool been tellin' me those lies???"

Look, this started with gkillion saying that Delay should be considered "innocent until proven guilty."

I guessed (correctly) that gkillion would NOT apply this same standard to O.J. Simpson.

And I wondered why.

Simple as that.