Wow, I can't believe that one guy says that TUI was given a year to get out off town. What a horrible interpretation. TUI IS ALREADY OUT OF TOWN! That is the point. They are in California and they want it accredited in California, NOT in New York. In fact, they SAID that TUI is "independently accreditable." To be independently accreditable now is a HUGE compliment. You try to take a start up nothing branch campus and make it independently accreditable. that is a HUGE task and TUI should be really proud. They are well on their way to doing this. Why do some ASSUME that they have not started? It is all set up and they know what they are doing....over the years TUI always proved itself. Eli ABD, Touro University International
Just curious... Why didn't you post this in the thread where you read the comment about TUI having a year to get out of town? Or has that basic aspect of how a forum like this works somehow escaped your notice and understanding?
Touro in trouble. On another forum, a member asked WASC for the status of TUI with WASC. WASC replied that TUI has not contacted them re accreditation. TUI has only 11-1/2 month to go before the dead-line on June 30, 2005 when they lose MSACS accreditation and when that happens the State of California will probably close them down since they were allowed into CA by virtue of having accreditation. For the prudent student, it's time to abandon ship before going down with it. JayBrad
Re: Touro in trouble. No, for the prudent student it is time to call the MSA and TUI to verify things, rather than accept advice from anonymous sources with no established credibility. (Not that such a thing ever occurs here.)
Re: Re: Touro in trouble. This would be as opposed to accepting advice from named sources with no established credibility who glowingly described how great, rigorous, wonderful, and innovative Touro programs were.
I have an e-mail from WACS stating they have not been contacted by TUI - my comments are not based on assumption. I wish them luck, maybe they can start and finish the process early, since they are already acrediited RA?
Re: Re: Touro in trouble. If a TUI student graduated before they presumably lose their RA status would the student have graduated from an RA school.
Get a life DesElms.... the thread IS posted go and check it out. This was a typo and I did not know how to pull it out. On a different matter... for the few who are bashing TUI and telling Ph.D. students to start finding another schools (i.e. the few participants with hidden agendas)... careful guys... TUI will sort this out quickly and rest assured that we (existing students and participants) will have the last laugh. If you think for a moment that an academic institution similar to TC or TUI will not pursue such issues seriously and effectively then think again. Eli
Re: Re: Accreditation issue Your observation is true. I strongly feel that TUI RA status will accelerate things with WACS. I am positive that they are addressing this issue as we speak. Eli
I think I do. There are two duplicates of this thread. This stand alone one (i.e. typo and was unable to retrieve) and another one as part of a long discussion but I am unable to find it. I think it is pulled from this forum. Eli
Re: Re: Re: Touro in trouble. Yes. If they graudated prior to TUI losing RA, the person would have graduated from an accredited school. On top of that (assuming that TUI did not get the WASC application in...in time and it straightened out) as I understand, most accreditors require them to develop a "teach out" agreement with other accredited schools for students who are at a certain point in their program (ie close to graduation). ACCS is in the process of doing this for current students. I hope that TUI does get things fixed in time. Believe me.....I understand the stress that current students are feeling. North
Re: Re: Re: Accreditation issue I agree. As somebody pointed out in the other thread (which has mysteriously dissappeared), there's an established procedure for branch campuses of out-of-region RA universities obtaining separate accreditation by WASC. It's not the same thing as an initial application. What's more, though these Degreeinfo discussions focus entirely on Touro University International, apparently the same accreditation change is being demanded of Touro University California up in Vallejo. That tells me that, first, this isn't a TUI-specific issue. And secondly it tells me that this isn't some nefarious Middle States scheme to kill TUI without having to take responsibility for doing it. Personally, I find it almost inconceivable that Middle States or WASC have any intention of letting all these Touro operations in California just wither and die. That doesn't mean that modifications won't have to be made. It doesn't mean that it won't mean changes for current TUI students. It's still not clear whether there will be any changes to the university name printed on TUI diplomas. It's even conceivable that TUI will be combined with TU-CA somehow for WASC accreditation purposes. And my guess is that short-residency requirements will probably be installed at TUI doctoral programs at some point. Frankly, I find it kind of stupid to counsel students to quit TUI on the basis of anonymous internet discussion group postings. But currently enrolled students probably should follow these events very closely and obtain more reliable information directly from the parties involved.
Re: Touro in trouble. Actually, this point is mostly likely wrong, since TUI is licensed to operate in California, as evidenced by the "tuition escrow" document that new students are required to acknowledge when enrolling. Thanks, Dave
Re: Re: Re: Re: Accreditation issue Yes, and it's a positively weird allegation, too. Motive? Rich or somebody, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Middle States accreditation generally considered to be a little tougher than WASC? Or more prestigious? Curious. Dunno. Thanks, Dave
I think we all hope so, the only debate is how it will effect them. Unfortunately, when you are the leader in your field (TUI in DL), when something comes up for the school in a bad light, the entire DL population bears the problems. I had an e-mail from a friend outside of DL, who knows my interest, e-mail me about TUI's issues. She asked "Are you still glad you got a DL degree". Of course I am! It will take some time to recover,,, but TUI has brought DL ten feet forward, so one step back to continue progress will be worth it.
