AACSB vs IACBE

Perhaps you should gather your facts and convey them to IACBE, as your experience seems atypical.

 

ABS is not accredited bu UGC or AICTE in India. IACBE should not have accredited it.
Here is from their site..

http://www.abscdl.org/html/awarding.html

The Post Graduate Diploma will be awarded by 'Alliance Business School' duly endorsed by program faculty including international faculty affiliated to the program comprising a consortium of reputed Universities in the USA.
Students who pass all the courses and meet other program requirements will receive an EXECUTIVE POST GRADUATE DIPLOMA IN MANAGEMENT (E-PGDM) from the B-School.

 

Perhaps, but we don't know that. It seems there is some disconnect here. Whomever has specific information about the school should be forwarding it to IACBE for future resolution.

 

salve regina

 

oh, and Mount St. Mary's University (Maryland)

 

The AACSB web site lists 482 accredited schools with both UG and graduate programs and 43 accredited schools with UG programs only.
Only 44 schools have graduate programs only.
http://www.aacsb.edu/accreditation/ug-prgms-only.asp

I agree that most employers don't know or care whether an UG degree (and probably graduate degrees) is AACSB accredited or not - especially for mid career applicants. When I hired people I checked to conform RA accreditation but that was all. My major hiring factor was which applicant was best for the open position.

 

I think not having any accreditation in many ways is better than having a second-rate accreditation. AACSB is the gold-standard in the business/management field. Not having AACSB *could* mean that the school is working towards it. Having IACBE probably means that the school has given up on AACSB and accepted whatever they could get.

 

hahahha! Do you think it is easy to get accreditation? Some school has certain accreditation is applying for AACSB such as Nova Southeastern University.

 

Alliance Business School

Well. Dear Mr. Sanjeev Tomar, I would like to advise you that you get your concepts clear before you start to tarnish the image of any institution in this manner

abscdl.org is not a “Distance Learning” program, it is a distributed learning program. This wing of Alliance business school is now known as Alliance Corporate Education, and as the name suggests, it caters to the educational needs of the corporate.

“Worst School” as you call Alliance Business School to be, please refer to

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/INDIABSCHOOL0909.html

I hope you know the credibility that Wallstreet journal carries along with it. Alliance Business School is ranked 6th amongst the best Private Business School in India.

How do I know all this?

I was a student with Alliance Business School, for the first 6 months of my PGP, after which my credits got transferred to University of Michigan and I completed my MBA in US (I guess, that answers that credits CAN be transferred from an IACBE to AACSB institute)

I am working with Alliance Corporate Education as of now, and the only reason for me being back to India and to be working with ALLIANCE is that I believe that the values that ABS inculcated in me in the first 6 months will be polished in my professional career here.

 

Wow, interesting thread. To the OP.

Which is better: AACSB, no question.
Would having IACBE be better than nothing: Sure.
Does having a RA only BA hurt you: Depends as to whom you are referring. Will it hurt you in applying to AACSB schools for the Masters, probably - but this varies greatly. Some will not accept you, some will only accept you, but you still have to go through all the pre-reqs, like you do not have a business degree, some will not care, as long as your crudentials are high enough. IMO most AACSB schools care, as they go through the rigorous process to get accredited, so require the same of the studnets entering their program.

Does HR care - sometimes. A large number of HR professionals are ignorant about the entire accreditation issue, but many are not.

If you have the choice, go AACSB.

 

Some apply and never get it though, to just apply is the same as being a member, other than dues, it is not saying much until actual accreditation is granted.

 

ALLIANCE Business School

I have been a student at Alliance Business School (PGPM Batch 2007-2009); I strongly disagree with what has been mentioned here. Alliance not only has a wonderful infrastructure but also a dedicated team of academicians who actually add value to the students. Alliance is very particular when it comes to quality of education they deliver. The rigor at Alliance makes the students actually prepared for the corporate world and helps them groom themselves accordingly. Moreover when it comes to Placement, the statistics given here are totally wrong. It is advisable to have proper information about something before you bad mouth.

 

Well. Dear Ms. Nivedita, I would like to advise you to be truthful – you have misrepresented Alliance Business School as well as where you have your MBA from.
First, if indeed you have your MBA – it would have been from University of Michigan-FLINT (a totally different University than University of Michigan which is in ANN ARBOR).
The University Michigan-Flint is considered a Tier 3 university by the ranking put out by US News and World report (http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/flint-mi/michigan-flint-2327 )
So – STOP saying that you have a degree from University of Michigan because you don’t.
Second, IACBE is a third rate – pay for accreditation – organization and no one should have allowed credits from your Alliance Business School to be transferred to an AACSB accredited school. The only reason why it happened was because the chairman of the Alliance Business School (Madhukar Angur) who is a faculty at School of Management at the University of Michigan-Flint. As a matter of fact there is no longer any transfers allowed from ABS and Madhukar Angur is under investigation by the university officials.
http://media.www.themichigantimes.com/media/storage/paper620/news/2010/02/01/Campus/U.Investigates.Professor-3861510.shtml
As you proceed in your career – try honesty.

 

Personally, I find the USNews rankings to be suspect. Without looking, can you tell us what the criteria are for ranking one school above another?

 

Maybe you're right, maybe not. You say the stats are wrong but you offer nothing as a rebuttal. People might be convinced if you have evidence.
Do you? If not then, by your own definition, you should not have posted.

 

I don't like the tone of this. If you can't communicate in a civil manner then you're not welcome here. I'm giving you a month to think about it. If, after a months vacation you can be civil then you may resume posting.

 

When a new member comes on like this in their first post it's a bad sign. We don't need this animosity here. You've started out on the wrong foot. Maybe this place is not for you. I'm giving you a month to think about it. You can disagee, even be confrontational, without being angry.

 

Scott is right here - but realize that "unable or unwillig" covers a lot of ground.

For one thing, AACSB is not practical for small programs. If you check out AACSB schools you'll probably find the smallest school they accredit has 15 faculty or so. AACSB considers schools with less than 30 faculty "small".

Regards - Andy

 

As long as this thread has gotten I'm surprised nobody pointed out that there are different reasons that the AACSB, ACBSP and IACBE all exist. They are not interchangeable as I see it.

AACSB is a research based accreditation, heavy weight in academia. To me this is more about innovation in business...or if you're cynical, about professors publishing material

ACBSP is more of a teaching based accreditation. This is based more on program design or how instruction is accomplished (teaching oriented-input based).

IACBE is outcomes based, more on the results of the education (output based) and more of a direct competitor to the ACBSP than the AACSB.

They all accredit business programs. Two are CHEA recognized and the IACBE likely will be in the next few years. I say likely will be because in 2007 they deferred their application to be reviewed for accreditation (probably to fix some issues but I'm speculating) and it looks like as of January 25th of this year they are now actively seeking accreditation again.

The below is quoted from their site:

"The CHEA Board of Directors has announced the following:

Eligibility Statement

At its meeting on January 25, 2010, the CHEA Board of Directors reviewed the recommendation of the CHEA Committee on Recognition regarding the eligibility application submitted by the International Assembly for Collegiate Business Education (IACBE). The board of directors determined that the IACBE is eligible to undertake a recognition review. IACBE will complete a self-evaluation providing evidence that it meets the CHEA recognition standards. CHEA requires an observation visit to a decision-making meeting of the accrediting organization to observe decision-making activities as these relate to CHEA eligibility and recognition standards. The CHEA Committee on Recognition will review the self-evaluation, the report of the observation visit, and any third-party requests for comment and make a recommendation to the CHEA Board of Directors. The CHEA Board of Directors will make the final determination of recognition status."

Disclaimer, Bellevue (my current school) is an IACBE accredited school (or more specifically their business programs are) but in truth I couldn't give a rat's flying fanny if they were or not. Not because I don't care about IACBE but largely because I don't care much about business programmatic accreditation in general. Sure it can be handy for yet another level of weeding out applicants for certain companies but in reality these programs are more about the school than the student or what the student can accomplish upon graduation. Again this is just my opinion and you may feel free to disagree but to me program accreditation is fairly redundant at best except in cases of licensed professions such as ABA, AMA, etc.

If the ability to land the legendary corner office with 6 figures right out of school is of paramount consideration, AACSB, IACBE, ACBSP are far less important than being in a Top 10 B-school, excelling and graduating somewhere in the Top 10% and maybe interning during your summer break for little to no pay. Or you can skip all that and just get your degree from somewhere regionally accredited, get some experience and demonstrable skill on your resume and go forth and conquer (or at the very least smite) the competition...

...stepping off of the soap box.

 

IACBE accreditation

IACBE accreditation - not worth paper on which it's printed. IACBE started to help schools which could not make it to AACSB. Tier 3 colleges mostly, couldn't get CHEA recognition (still haven't) and frankly you can buy it for a fee. Why do we say this? we are students of a IACBE accredited school - Alliance Business School, India. Our friends (we have nothing against them) who have written about the school do it because of gratitude: they couldn't get decent jobs anywhere the college employed them and naturally they are grateful. Let's hit the nail on the head. Go to IACBE website and see the so-called standards. College applying for accreditation must have degree granting authority. Alliance School is not recognised in India itself does not award degrees only a certificate. How did IACBE accredit this school? If they can answer this question we'll admit our mistake. Unlike our friends who praise the school we have spent 12 lacs about 30000 dollars and have no job. Great school that cares two hoots to the students who pay a hefty fee