AACSB - DL Ph.D/DBA programs

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by Dono, Aug 2, 2009.

  1. PMBrooks

    PMBrooks New Member

    I have a question that goes along with this thread...(I think!):

    I have often read where a person, if they are going to teach in a AACSB accredited school, needs a degree from a AACSB accredited school as well.

    Since AACSB does not accredit doctoral level programs, does this mean a person can get a PHD from any school to teach in a AACSB program so long as say a masters degree is from such a place?

    If I am misunderstanding, please help me.
  2. Dave Wagner

    Dave Wagner Active Member

    No, the AACSB doctorate is a taxi cab medallion of it's own.
  3. Jayzee

    Jayzee New Member

    PM the aacsb accredits the entire business school, meaning whatever degree thats offered by that business school (bachelors, masters of doctorate) falls under that accreditation. To get a list of aacsb accredited schools, plz check out the aacsb website. The only seperate accreditation by aacsb is a special accounting accreditation, which may be important if you are an accounting major.

    PRB by true distance learning i meant that the student can enroll in the program with the specific understanding that he/she will be an external candidate doing most of the research in their own state/country and visiting the university only for residencies. Obviously its an excellent option for working adults who can not leave their jobs for doctorate. Please look at my other posts/threads for a list of such universities (some are already mentioned in this thread).
  4. Han

    Han New Member

    This is true - to an extent. You are still considered AQ if you have that degree (awarded int he past 5 years) from that school - as long as it is a doctorate, does not matter if it is AACSB accredited.

    But, to be hired on, it will be more difficult from a school that is not, if trying to go with one that is.
  5. Han

    Han New Member

    Actaully it is that the world has moved on to realize that industry experience is critical, especially to teach. Those full - tenured professors will NOT change their mindwset, no matter what the consequence - they have tenure, they dominate (at some schools) the hiring committees, and that is why it is even a discussion. They will all be retiring in the near future (especially with golden handshakes, etc), and those middle career and younger already realize the world's changes (said with some sarcasm) :) .
  6. Han

    Han New Member

    A caveat is that a program can be excluded from AACSB accreditation, though the school is accredited. Also, initial offering of programs do not have to be reviewed by AACSB until they are becoming reaffirmed (typically every 5 years).
  7. Dave Wagner

    Dave Wagner Active Member

    Yes, but couldn't they argue that you are just another pathetic masters degree holder without the theoretical or methodological tools to say anything of interest?

    (I don't think that, by the way... I'm just playing the Devil's advocate.)
  8. Han

    Han New Member

    I am not sure how that could be - since the part time doctorate that I am aware of requries a sound thesis, with external members to verify its validity. That is the nice part about the itnerview, you usually get at least an hour to show your research capabilities during the interview, and your publishing record will also show the validity. I think the statement you propose gives the thought that if you have industry experience, you can't master the tools in academia, which I would say is jsut not the case.

    Though, the opposite is not the case - meaning just because you have the education, does not mean you can give the experience that you have with actually being in industry (meaning just becuase you read a case study on issues to the class, will not give the same insight as being there).
  9. Andy Borchers

    Andy Borchers New Member

    Nova Southeastern - A long term possibility

    Folks - Nova Southeastern is making a major effort to achieve AACSB accreditation. They have a plan that they are implementing that could yield AACSB sometime in the next few years.

    If you ask - you'll get a pretty generic action without any promises.

    Will it happen? I hope so, but there are no guarantees. In the mean time note that NSU is working to reduce its DBA enrollment to about 100 students. It will be increasingly tough to gain entrance.

    Regards - Andy
  10. Karl Ben

    Karl Ben New Member

    An excellent discussion that stays on point! Dave and Han: you both raise some interesting points.
  11. Dave Wagner

    Dave Wagner Active Member

    What I'm suggesting is that the clueless professor who has no industry experience is a bit of a myth... It is a straw man, if you will permit, created by those purveyors of higher education who want to hire professionals on the cheap to teach their courses at night. Sure professional experience helps provide real world examples but curriculum is curriculum; I'm going to teach to the academic standard whether I can say I did such and such, to and fro, or not... Oui?
  12. Han

    Han New Member

    I see your point, but I think your premise is that those with professional experience do not have the academic credentials...... which in my case is NOT the case, I have both. Though, when interviewing, some of those senior faculty that only had the degree looked down upon me, who also obtained industry experience.

    Now, when I was an adjunct, I see the point (only had the MBA), I brought something that they did not, as well as they brought something I did not - but for that person who has both, how can ANYBODY look down upon that??
  13. Dave Wagner

    Dave Wagner Active Member

    From memory, this discussion evolved from somebody dissing academic types which I equated with full professors...

    Once one has achieved associate professorship somewhere, that might be considered "academic credentials"... Without it, you may be just a really good hired gun.
  14. dl_mba

    dl_mba Member

    I had a Tenured Finance Professor in one of previous classes at TAMUC, the guy has 20+ yrs of Teaching-only experience. I could easily tell that’s his world. He has no Industry experience at all. He will be a big failure(at least initially until he picks up things) if he steps out of the comfort of Academia. I have seen more than 3 professors like that at TAMUC. There are some exceptions for example Dr. John Humphreys who was a VP at a large company before he become a professor. He always thinks out of the box and his classes are very interesting and meaningful.
    I seriously think Universities should hire professors after they have at least 5-10 years of professional experience.
  15. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    It is technically impossible to have experience in everything you teach. The work environment is so narrow and academic courses are too general. If a professor starts talking to much about himself and his experience, that might just show insecurity or arrogance. I just tell my students that I cannot possible have experience and know in detail everything I teach. I'm sure many students might feel that I'm too academic for some things that I teach and too hands on for other things. You also have the teacher with so much experience but cannot teach, I have taken over few courses that were given to these "experienced" professors due to students complaints.
  16. AV8R

    AV8R Active Member

    That may true for adjuncts but I think that full-time faculty member, especially in business, should have experience in what they are teaching. For example, an accounting instructor should have worked in accounting for X number of years or a finance major should have X number of years in banking.
  17. Scott Henley

    Scott Henley New Member

    I know several tenured professors (all fairly young) that really have never worked a day in their life in the traditional sense. They left high school, got into university, bachelor's, master's, doctorate...research assistant... teaching... publishing...professor.

    It depends on the material being taught. I suppose that someone teaching calculus or physics could get away with this. However, someone teaching control systems or accounting might not.
  18. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Actually, accounting is almost like math. I have taught accounting few times without much experience and always done well. I'm even considering a CPA or CGA.

    Fields that would be very hard to teach without experience and I would never touch because the same reason are HR, Management and Business Law.

    Fields that you can teach without much experience include all the ones that are more quantitative such as business statistics, finance, accounting and operations.

    When teaching quantitative courses, most students can care less about the experience issue, they are so scared about the math involved that just want you to teach them how to solve the problems.
  19. Scott Henley

    Scott Henley New Member

    This is true. I have found the professors that teach these subjects to be generally the ones with less industry experience.
  20. Andy Borchers

    Andy Borchers New Member

    While I agree with the discussion, I'd like to make a case that expereince can be of great benefit to faculty in quant courses.

    One of the challenges is to express to students how all the calculations can be used to solve business problems.

    Regards - Andy


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