48-72 Hours: Will Cal Coast Become USDoE Recognized?

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  1. Jeff Hampton

    Jeff Hampton New Member

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  2. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    This fails to demonstrate the "nose-holding" you state.

    This fails to demonstrate that some DETC-accredited schools are better than some RA schools, as you've stated.

    This fails to demonstrate that there are some RA schools that could not get DETC accreditation. (None have EVER tried.)

    This, as usual, fails.
     
  3. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    An unsupported statement of opinion is that the only reason the big 3 are accredited is their origin or continued existence as state colleges.

    It would be helpful to know where I said some DETC schools are better than some R/A schools so I could see the context. I believe every DETC school is better than Excelsior, TESC, and COSC.

    Every RA school that does not offer proctored exams could not get DETC accreditation.

    Sorry I'm such a failure.
     
  4. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Oops, Thanks Tom, I'm glad that you knew what I meant. :D
     
  5. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Aren't there examples of schools that did not require proctored exams, changed to requiring proctored exams and then received DETC accreditation? So if those examples were able to get DETC accreditation then why do you think that a regionally accredited school wouldn't be able to?
     
  6. shirleyngan

    shirleyngan New Member

    The meeting was finished?

    How about the result?

    Announce soon?
     
  7. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    Bingo. Your absolutely right. But they haven't.
     
  8. Jeff Hampton

    Jeff Hampton New Member

    I couldn't have said it better myself. Primarily because I have absoltutely no idea what you are trying to say.

    Wow. This paragraph brings new meaning to the term "doublespeak."

    And Harvard could not get DETC accreditation. Nor Yale. Nor Stanford. And this proves what?

    Of course, St. Regis could, if they cleaned up their act AND, most importantly, changed their name so that potential marks...er...students won't be able to trace their past. We wouldn't want DETC's reputation to be tarnished by legitimate information about the schools they accredit.
     
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  9. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Overheard from the next car on the freeway, heading toward Santa Ana, California:

    Are we there yet? Huh? Huh? Can we go to CCU before we go to Disneyland? Huh? I don' wanna see Goofy and Mickey Mouse. I wanna see the dissertations in the locked case. Ma, the baby just thwew up. Are we there yet? Huh? OW! She hit me just cause I asked if she knew how to spell DETC.
     
  10. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    Any chance of getting the name of your school so I can insult it too. I'm proud of my school so I mention it lots.
     
  11. shirleyngan

    shirleyngan New Member

    I don't think a normal person will insult others, don't learn from that.
     
  12. Casey

    Casey New Member

    LSAT scores being equal....

    Almost every ABA approved law school requires admitted applicants to possess four-year degrees from accredited schools. The ABA law schools I contacted were very accepting of both NA and RA undergraduate credentials. If NA degrees are good enough for law school admissions, they should be good enough for any 'academic' program. Let’s be serious, with few exceptions, law school is far more demanding than most academic doctoral programs. The JD/PhD students in my program definitely agree.

    In any event, the 2 main factors law schools consider when evaluating Juris Doctor applicants are the uGPA and the LSAT score. According to LSAC, both are very important. However, some schools place more emphasis on one or the other. Either way, the uGPA is very important. According to bain4weeks, though, TESC (RA) does not convert test-out scores into letter grades. If that is the case, TESC grads will not graduate with much of a GPA. Therefore, compared to TESC grads, DETC BA/BS degree holders would likely have a much easier time gaining admissions into ABA approved law schools. This is because, at the very least, DETC schools leave graduates with accredited degrees consisting of convertible credit hours. Apparently, the same can not be said for TESC. This is one case where DETC degrees may possess more utility.

    Rich also asked for examples of RA schools that could not obtain DETC accreditation. The big three banks immediately come to mind. I don’t think any of these schools could obtain DETC accreditation. This is because they allow for substantial amounts of portfolio and life experience credit. And for the most part, they require no new work. They also allow students to transfer in all of the 120 credit hours required for graduation. The same does not seem to apply to DETC schools.

    http://bain4weeks.com/Whichcol.html
     
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  13. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    I'm proud of your school, too, Dennis. I have spoken well of it, as you know. I considered it seriously for myself at one point. I hope it gets accreditation.

    I thought and still think that the five-minutes-to-midnight bit on the DETC decision is a bit overdone. This ain't the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, after all.

    If the school was worth enrolling in before it got accreditation, then it's worth being enrolled in whether or not it ever gets accreditation, or if it gets accreditation now (as I expect) or next year or what have you.

    If you're proud of your school, then it's more than just futures trading on accreditation, right?

    If you want to talk about it, fine. Tell us about your interesting conversations/emails with your profs, tell us about the good or bad points in the courses you've taken, find out the name of the seagull in the school logo, find out what year the school was founded and clear up the minor confusion on that, tell us about the service in the rent-a-textbook program if you have used it, tell us about the quality of the texts themselves, tell us how your papers were graded and the quality of the feedback on them, tell us how you have availed yourself of library resources for your assignments and research.
     
  14. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    Janko


    1)conversations/emails with your profs,

    none but then I have never talked with many of my profs, only the interesting ones

    2)tell us about the good or bad points in the courses you've taken

    relatively straight forward - read and do assignments

    3) find out the name of the seagull in the school logo

    white rats that fly

    4)find out what year the school was founded and clear up the minor confusion on that

    1973 - I think 1974 showed up once on a website that was eventually corrected. The State of California shows April 1973.

    5) tell us about the service in the rent-a-textbook program if you have used it

    I just buy the texts because I have a final project to do which may involve need of reference material. I think rentals are $20 plus postage

    6) tell us about the quality of the texts themselves

    Don't forget that I took an undergrad degree in business which was tougher than most quickie MBAs. The texts seem reasonable, maybe the quantitative methods book was simpler than I'm used to but I don't know what other MBA programs use.

    7) tell us how your papers were graded and the quality of the feedback on them

    So far all machine grading - multiple choice. No feedback.

    -8) tell us how you have availed yourself of library resources for your assignments and research.

    My library has several million books so I have no need of theirs.

    Somehow I suspect you knew most of the answers.

    I don't consider any 10-12 course MBA to be equivalent to a graduate degree, intro level at best. In Canada MBAs at B&M schools usually are 20 courses and tough as nails.

    The feedback from profs is available if you seek it. Another program that I am in requires much involvement with other students and the professor. Tuition for 3 1/2 courses at that school will earn me 2 graduate degrees at CCU. Simply put, if you want bottlefeeding don't attend an inexpensive privately operated school. You pay for the perks.
     
  15. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Dennis, I wouldn't waste time asking you for answers if I already knew them. While I looked at some CCU material a while back, I did not memorize what was in it.

    How should I know whether you have or have not had conversations/email exchanges with your profs at CCU? Since your not having such contact appears to have been your choice, the absence of such contact is no reflection for good *or* ill on CCU.

    You characterize any exchange with one's professors as "bottlefeeding." That seems fairly disparaging to me, as though an exchange of ideas with a professor is something infantile. I don't get it.

    Most of your other answers were pretty cursory. This too is your choice. I really thought that since you are proud of your school that you would cite some really good stuff that you have encountered there.

    If you have simply chosen not to say what that really good stuff is, that's fine. I respect your choice in how you answered. Your answers don't exactly make me want to reconsider on CCU and run right out and sign up, turning my generally positive view of the school into any kind of eagerness to explore the place further.

    Frankly, if you hadn't said how proud you were of your school, I'd think it wasn't very impressive to *you* at all. And that would be too bad, what with it being considered by many one of the best CA-approved schools and a likely candidate for DETC accreditation.

    I'm glad you have access to such a big library. I hope it serves you well in your studies. Which university has it?
     
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  16. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    U of Alberta

    It had a million books way back when I was a student. I don't know the exact number today.
     
  17. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    No RA university has ever tried to get DETC accreditation because it is clear that DETC is the silver medal accreditation compared to RA accreditation's gold medal. It has nothing to do with DETC being higher standards or harder to get. As a matter of fact it is just the opposite. RA is harder to get and DETC accreditation standards have allowed them to accredit schools in the past that were blatantly defrauding students as they were approved by DETC! DETC accepted ACICS marketing and claiming totally bogus accreditation and approved it by accrediting the school. Such a huge majority of the legitimate higher education is RA in the USA, I would guess that most people assume that it is the only general accreditation that there is in this country.
     
  18. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    OK, so may be you'll be so kind and name one DETC school that is better than Excelsior at what Excelsior is actually doing (i. e. assessing prior learning)? Oh right, DETC does not allow that! Thought so.
     
  19. Kirkland

    Kirkland Member

    I would hope that all distance programs accredited by the regionals would be accreditable by DETC. However, there are many RA schools that are not distance-oriented and thereby not accreditable by DETC. Simple fact, doesn't refer to who is better than whom.
     
  20. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Re: LSAT scores being equal....

    No they don't (at least not "life experience credit" - there's no such thing in either of the three).

    DETC schools are legitimate institutions of learning. You do not have to lie to defent them.
     
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