43% of New Nursing Students do not have jobs.

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  1. sharr

    sharr New Member

    Interesting. If one is a nursing student, that would probably mean that they haven't received their nursing license.. I wouldn't expect for them to get a nursing job. Maybe they mean newly licensed nurses?
     
  2. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    There are people who don't make good parenting choices, but there are also people on welfare who don't solely depend on it whether it be through legal or illegal means. Often, they don't live in safe neighborhoods even if their housing looks nice from the outside. I used to be a supervisor at a company where people who worked full-time qualified for government assistance and they only had one or two children. I have an example of how some of the poorest people in my city live. Maybe your state is more generous with its welfare spending.
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    The article says that 43% of new nursing grads can't find jobs within 18 months of graduating, so they do have their licenses.
     
  3. suelaine

    suelaine Member

    I regret saying anything on this topic that has nothing to do with nurses...but I find it hard to take back my post so I will try to clarify just a bit. I don't think we should be mass removing kids from homes. The part that seemed to get lost in my post, and the part that was really most important is that we need to EDUCATE welfare recipients and hold them accountable with how they manage the resources they are given.

    Yes, in my town I know people with multiple dogs, who can not seem to "afford" to take proper care of their children. And yes, these same people have a car, reasonable housing and decent transportation. This is not a big city and everybody knows just about everybody else here. It is relatively safe. Maybe my area is not typical, but I find it hard to believe that is all that unique, either.
     
  4. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    My understanding is that licensure is not the problem for recent nursing grads.

    In California, nursing students from approved schools can get an "Interim Permit" from the nursing board after they graduate, but before they are licensed. The Interim Permit is legally valid for nursing employment, but only for a short time, which is long enough for you to register and take the licensing exam. If you pass (which most people do), then your license becomes permanent. If you fail, then the Interim Permit is revoked, and you can't work as a nurse until you retake and pass.

    I think other states have similar rules. So licensure is not the problem -- a new nursing graduate can start working right away, even without a permanent license. The problem is that many parts of the country have more new nursing graduates than available jobs for them.
     
  5. sharr

    sharr New Member

    I speaking based off of the thread title. I understand though.
     
  6. sharr

    sharr New Member

    Thanks for this post. I've always wondered how that works.
     
  7. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    I agree indirectly: I think we should really raise the bar for education and awareness on personal finance across the board for everyone.

    I respect your credentials a great deal. In that spirit, a couple questions and a thought:

    How strong is your evidence that these people with multiple dogs, etc., who take poor care of their children even are on welfare?

    Even if that's strong, how strong is your evidence that these are people are anything close to representative of people on welfare?

    If we're talking food stamps (SNAP), the one form of welfare I can think of whose use is very often witnessed directly, explicitly, in everyday life – well, by a recent count, 15 percent of the U.S. population received SNAP. That's more than one person in seven.

    I think it's about as mistaken to generalize out from these very few people you know, who are both irresponsible and are receiving benefits, to imply a strong correlation between the two things across such a large population, as it would be to generalize out to… people who like whatever kind of music they like, or to other large categories of which they're members.

    I'm a great big progressive, and I guess we don't tend to talk about this, but here you go: There is some overlap between the populations who are

    (a) irresponsible users of others, and
    (b) on welfare.

    There must be some occasions, too, when being (a) leads someone to (b) as a strategy.

    However, we can probably all agree there's a massive correlation between the populations

    (c) in legitimately desperate straits financially, and
    (b) on welfare.

    Endless, vivid, morality-tale anecdotes about people who are both (a) and (b) derail us from the critical truth about welfare, that the great majority of people receiving it, (b), are (c), but are NOT also (a).
     
  8. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    It's not unique. We have it here, too. But where I live there are no decent jobs (meaning, there is almost nothing better than minimum wage), and a person on welfare will live better than someone making minimum wage. One might argue, "So what? Having a job is part of the pride of doing for yourself", but someone once said on that subject "There is no pride in working 40+ hours a week and still having your lights cut off because you don't make enough money to pay your bills."

    For the bums who don't want to work, I provide no sympathy. But for the rest, it's unfairly tough out there.
     
  9. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    I have never heard that one before. I must start to use it during meetings!

    By the way, it just sounds like "agree" based on your comments. :squareeyed:
     
  10. suelaine

    suelaine Member

    Jonathan,
    I don't want to discuss welfare any more on this thread so I will send you a private note instead.
     

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