NCU Phd study - how long will it take?

How did Mr Liu come up with his needed credit hours? If you possess a Master's degree then you have 30 of the 81 cr.hrs. accounted towards the Ph.D. leaving 51 cr.hr. to satisfy requirements. 27 coursework (3 cr.hr x 9 courses) , 12 cr.hrs dissertation preparation (3 or 4 courses) and 12 cr.hr for the dissertation. That looks like a minimum of 12 or 13 courses plus dissertation plus the Information Research Strategies course. See below.




How many and what transfer credits will NCU accept?
NCU accepts transfer credits from accredited institutions:
* BACHELOR'S DEGREE - 120 semester units are required for a bachelor's degree. NCU will accept up to a total of 90 units in transfer toward the bachelor's degree, of which up to 69 may be at the lower level.

* MASTER'S DEGREE - 36 semester units are required for a master's degree, NCU may accept up to 6 graduate semester units in transfer from a college or university, provided the course subjects are related to our degree.

* DOCTORAL DEGREE - 81 semester units are required for a doctorate. Applicants who have received a bachelor's degree from an accredited university may apply for acceptance to an NCU doctorate program. If the bachelor's degree is not in the discipline of the NCU doctorate program into which the applicant has been accepted, leveling courses may be required before full acceptance into the doctorate program. NCU may accept up to 30 graduate level units in transfer out of the 81 needed. Out of the 51 units that must be taken at NCU: 27 must be coursework, 12 are dissertation preparation, and 12 are in dissertation.

NOTE: All Masters and PH.D. learners are required to take an Information Research Strategies course.

 

Sorry Jack, I said nothing bad about the poster. Errr, uhhh, I mean Bill.

 

Bill's right and you're wrong. Both times.
Jack

 

Off the cuff, I'd have to disagree with you. But nonetheless, I'll consider what you said.

 

Off the cuff I'd say that the poster you maligned is probably speaking English as a second language. Making fun of him in his efforts to improve his life is bad form.
Jack

 

Whatever, man! You were making fun of the guy because he was writing wasn't up to your "PhD student" standards. You were making fun of him and trying to point out that NCU is lousy school. If you want to pretend you didn't mean anything w/ your quotes and smileys then that's fine. I will leave it at that. I am not going to ask what you were implying w/ calling me Jack either.

Best Regards,
Bill

 

Caution: Emotions Ahead

Ah c'mon chief, I maligned no one. Show me where I maligned anyone. You can't. To even infer that I have maligned anyone is pure speculation on your part.

No, I wasn't. But now that you mention it -- it is interesting that you would make a correlation between his writing ability and his, ahem, "doctoral studies" at Northcentral University. You came out and made that public observation -- I didn't.

But now that you have broached the topic -- do you think that writing abilities have anything to do with a legitimate doctoral program?

No, I did not "make fun" of him. Please show me one of my statements that "makes fun" of the poster. You can't -- and you know it. I simply quoted him. You are reading way too much into this.

And for you to make accusations based on the mere use of a smiley is absurd.

 

Re: Northcentral University = NCU

You win, me again. I give up. None of what you said to PAULLIU was an attempt to ridicule him because of his choice in schools and poor grammer. You were sincerely interested in his "PhD studies" at NCU and I over reacted. I apoligize.

Best Regards,
Bill

 

I don't get it, NCU would get slammed because they were not RA. They get RA approval and they get slammed because they are not tough enough as a school. Has everyone just gotten tired of picking on UoP?? Not all schools have the same academic rigor.

When CCU, SCUPS, or other California schools are mentioned, the fact they are not accredited and the degree has less utility is pointed out. Will NCU forever have a stigma of being a "less-than-wonderful but accredited school"?

 

Nova (Southeastern) University was called a degree mill at one time. Now look at them:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/7546005.htm

 

Please, no more NCU bashing !!!

OK, one more:

USNWR will have to come up with a new tier level for NCU.

They will call it the Bottom Tier. Hahahahahahah But seriously folks, I wanna tell ya, Happy New Year !!!

 

It is interesting that the article mentions NSU's past as a diploma mill. I think the description of NSU's past as a diploma mill was due to the fact that it was a pioneer in graduate distance education. As a pioneer it was one of the first schools to offer short residency programs which I do not think sat well with traditional graduate schools.

NSU also had its early financial problems to contend with. It also had a connection with the New York Institute of Technology for its undergraduate programs. There was a perception (maybe true) that NYIT had some NSU control and even the local population was concerned about supporting a "New York" institution.

Here in North Carolina Nova set up one of its regional centers for its Ed.D. program and a lawsuit ensued with the North Carolina Board of Governors in the early 80's (North Carolina v The Board of Govenors of the University of North Carolina, No. 110A81, filed 8 March 1982). The NC Board of Governors had denied Nova a license to teach in North Carolina, curricula designed by Nova leading to the conferral of degrees in Florida. Nova countered that NC could not regulate its teaching in North Carolina or its conferral of degrees in Florida. Nova appeared to have lost in the lower court but the court of appeals ruled that "the Board does not have the power to license or regulate Nova University in its teaching program in this state so long as Nova does not confer degrees in this state." Nova was successful but at the same time the local institutions, probably due to the competition, did not like the form of instruction Nova was providing (i.e. distance learning).

I am not a legal scholar by any means but my "dissection of interest" for this case is that: Nova, being SACS accredited, conferred its first Ed.D. to a North Caolina community college faculty in 1973 as such the traditional view of education is prevalent in the Board's position when it denied Nova licensure. The NC Board found that Nova's curriculum lacked "sufficient depth and extensiveness in terms of time and effort required of students," and lacked, "an adequate faculty in terms of faculty members' contact with and accessibility to their students" and ....libraries, instructional facilities, etc. (This I found interesting because Nova met accreditation standards comparable to North Carolina institutions -- e.g. SACS). At the same time it was noted that the Board had no dispute with the quality of Nova's faculty.

The jist of the case in Nova's favor was that the board was overreaching its authority by trying to license teaching. Its authority was only on the conferral of degrees in North Carolina. Essentially enforcing Nova's right to teach without Board interference -- the same right the Board must give to its own institutions.

Overall, it has been battles such as these that Nova has had to fight and which I believe led to its designation as a degree mill in the early days. It is still a perception that at times it still struggles with. However, the success of the institution from the 90's to the present speak for themselves.

Interestingly, Nova never did reestablish it cluster teaching unit in the state. Nova students from North Carolina go out of state for their regional cluster meetings now. In 1998 NSU reported 700 alumni in North Carolina (http://www.nova.edu/cwis/urp/pdfs/SPAppenI.pdf)

John