St. Regis & UNESCO/IHU

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  1. Guest

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  2. MarkIsrael@aol.com

    [email protected] New Member

    On August 13, 2003, Dr Bear wrote:
    At http://saintregis.edu.lr/accreditation.htm, it says:
     
  3. galanga

    galanga New Member

    maybe they are lying?

    Perhaps they are lying?

    They had been showing the Liberian Embassy in Washington as a contact point for confirmation of accreditation, including the correct address and phone number for the embassy, but listing the URL for a fake embassy web site.

    The embassy issued a statement in late September dissociating the embassy from SRU. After the embassy's statement, the phone number and the URL was removed, but SRU continued to list the embassy on the accreditation page.
     
  4. bgossett

    bgossett New Member

    Late last night, that link contained a name, email address, position, and seven digit phone number for verification of the purported UNESCO claim. The email addy was an "@yahoo.com" one. This morning that information is nowhere in evidence.

    A quick search of the UNESCO site, and a general Google search on the provided name resulted in zero hits.
     
  5. piratesmac

    piratesmac New Member

    FWIW, they (St Regis) claim to have the UNESCO approval on official letterhead.:D

    Obviously, this may or may not be true.:D
     
  6. galanga

    galanga New Member

    they are changing their story

    The Saint Regis site had included a lengthy account of Richard Novak's visit to Ghana here:

    http://saintregis.edu.lr/news_update_from_ghana.htm

    This is considerably shorter now. The previous version included a description of a meeting between Novak and Aaron Kollie, chargé d'affaires at the Washington embassy after Novak's trip. Here's an extract from the old page describing the meeting:

    This passage is now gone from the SRU page. Recall that it was Mr. Kollie who issed the statement in late September

    Just for the record I will paste here the text of the new page followed by the text of the old page. Note that this sort of archiving is fair-use under US copyright law according to expert legal counsel.

    New:

    Dr Novak began this trip on August 5th, 2003, headed first to Washington, D.C., where he spent one day visiting officials at the United States Ghana Embassy.

    Upon arrival to Accra, the first week was spent meeting with the Ghana Liberian Embassy officials discussing our goals, policies, scholarships, programs, etc. .

    Meetings were also held with Ghana Education Ministry officials and several African Educational Organizations with which we are seeking memberships, and exploring new opportunities and relationships for our university.

    While in Accra, Ghana, Dr Novak and Mr. Dunbar met many of the Liberian Foreign duty people that had been displaced because of the war in Liberia and Liberian Embassy staffs from all over the world.


    Old::

    Dr Novak began this trip on August 5th, 2003, headed first to Washington, D.C., where he spent one day visiting officials at the United States Ghana Embassy.

    Upon arrival to Accra, the first week was spent meeting with the Ghana Liberian Embassy officials making sure they were current with SRU's accreditation and discussing our goals, policies, scholarships, programs, etc. They were very supportive and eager to help SRU in any way.

    Meetings were also held with Ghana Education Ministry officials and several African Educational Organizations with which we are seeking memberships, and exploring new opportunities and relationships for our university. The following week was spent making appointments with all of the parties LURD selected to be the new government of Liberia, from the President on down.

    While in Accra, Ghana, Dr Novak and Mr. Dunbar met many of the Liberian Foreign duty people that had been displaced because of the war in Liberia and Liberian Embassy staffs from all over the world, as they were lobbying to retain their positions within the new government.

    Their main contact, a man named Morris who was the Charge D’ Affair of the Liberian Embassy in Israel, confided to Dr Novak that next President of Liberia would be a man named Harry F. Moniba and scheduled a meeting with him at his hotel (La Palm) Tuesday, 12th at 8:00pm.

    Arriving at La Palm Hotel, Dr Novak and Mr. Dunbar were met at the front door by one of his body guards. They then proceeded outside through a maze of sidewalks until arriving at his suite. They walked into the courtyard where they were met with two more bodyguards and a couple of aides. They were then led inside where a group of dignitaries milled about waiting to see Moniba.

    Even though they had just arrived, Dr. Novak and Mr. Dunbar were immediately led into Moniba’s bedroom which was being used for meetings. He greeted Dr Novak and Mr. Dunbar like they were old friends, and after introductions the three began talking about how the new Liberia would be a much better place than ever before.

    The following day Dr Novak met with M. Kabineh J’anneh, the spokesman of LURD, probably the most important man with whom they were to meet. The meeting took place in the dining room of the Novotel Hotel, where Dr Novak and Mr. Dunbar were staying.

    M. Kabineh J’anneh, a very strong and articulate man, was a Liberian attorney prior to his position with LURD.

    Over dinner Dr. Novak listened to what J’anneh felt the next Government of Liberia should do to help its people. J’anneh was surprised and excited to learn at this meeting that of the three of them Dr Novak was the only one to have recently been in Liberia (March and April of this year),

    Dunbar had not been back in five years and J’anneh hadn’t been back over a year. J’anneh then began ask Dr Novak what he thought about the present condition of Monrovia.

    Dr Novak suggested that the highest priority was to get the people water and electricity, which they have not had for many years.

    J’anneh became close friends with Dr Novak as they spent the evening discussing Novak’s travels to Liberia and other countries and their mutual political and person interests as well as colleagues and acquaintances.

    J’anneh and Novak agreed to meet again before leaving the conferences.

    The next morning Dr. Novak met with Andrew W. Kronyanh, the Charge D’Affair of the Liberian Embassy in Accra.

    They were immediately led into one of the inner offices and greeted by Mr. Kronyanhm a very large man that looked more like a line backer with a US football team!

    After a lengthy and positive discussion, Mr. Mr. Kronyanhm let it be known that he and his staff would be happy to help SRU with all of our future plans and gave assurance that he would do all he could to ensure cooperation between the embassies.

    Dr. Novak and Mr. Dunbar were invited to attend the Peace Signing at the Accra Conference Center. Where the met the General of NATO and the President of Ghana.

    They then took their seats among hundreds of dignitaries from all over the world and witnessed the signing of the Peace Agreement.

    Before leaving Accra, Dr Novak met with the Ghana Ministry of Education’s Mr. Amoah. Details of this meeting will be made available at a later date.

    On the day the interim president was to be selected, a compromise was made by the parties, meaning none of their candidates were selected. It was indeed a shock to all.

    Harry Moniba sent a protest letter to Chief Negotiator Abdulsalami Abubakar, (carbon copies sent to MODEL, LURD, GOL, Chairman of ECOWAS, African Union, European Union, International Contact Group on Liberia and the United States of America) for what he calls “gross irregularities that took place during the selection process for candidates…”

    On the way back from Ghana, Dr Novak flew to Washington DC, to meet with Aaaron Kollie at the Liberian Embassy. Mr. Kollie took over embassy duties after Dunbar left in June.

    Prior to Dr Novak’s face to face meeting, Mr. Kollie and his staff felt they were not well enough informed to effectively reply to inquiries regarding SRU’s accreditation.

    Dr Novak provided Mr. Kollie and his staff with all documentation of accreditation and legal standing for SRU and answered their questions and any concerns.

    He also discussed his trip to Ghana and brought them up to speed on the new government appointees and progress being made in Liberia.

    They were very excited to hear his news and felt reassured as to accreditation matters, now having in their possession official documents proving the school's status.

    Mr. Kollie and his staff members have affirmed that they will be happy to make all verifications as to accreditation and legal status, and perform duties such as answering letters or phone calls in response and/or in defense of SRU and Liberia regarding any possible negativity. They were very strong in their commitment.

    In October, Dr. Novak will likely go back to Liberia for the installation of the new government. J’anneh and other higher-ups have asked him to accompany them as a personal favor.

    Upon leaving Dr Novak reported that he felt a great sense of gratification that his goals to solidify ties between the incoming government and Mr. Dunbar, and create new and strengthen old connections between the new government and St. Regis University had been extremely successful.

    Dr Novak’s trip has resulted in much progress and additional strength of SRU’s credibility

    All meetings went extremely well and we made many new inroads.

    We are thankful and happy to have Dr Novak back home!

    If you have questions or would like to discuss Dr Novak's trip, please send him an email.
     
  7. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: St. Regis & UNESCO/IHU

    To me it means that when Len admitted to some questionable practices in the past but assured us that those were all in the past and that SRU was a totally upstanding university on the road to full respectability, he was sadly mistaken or lying.
     
  8. MichaelR

    MichaelR Member

    Letter from Unesco

    Here is an e-mail I recieved from Unesco. Using if under the fair use copy right law......

    ------------Original Message------------

    From: "Langlois, Claudine" <[email protected]>

    To: "mringer
    Date: Tue, Oct-21-2003 4:08 AM

    Subject: St Regis University

    TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN

    St Regis University, Liberia, is not currently in our database and we do not plan to have an entry for it in the next International Handbook of Universities.
    Please note two things: 1) It is the International Association of
    Universities which maintains the World Higher Education Database (WHED) and publishes the Handbook and NOT Unesco. You will find all information concerning our 53-year old NGO on our website. 2) The WHED database lists recognized institutions of higher education in the world BUT does not generally include on-line (only) or transnational institutions of higher education. Other databases are planning to deal with this type of
    institutions.

    Could you please give us the source of this erroneous information

    > Claudine Langlois, Director,
    > IAU/UNESCO Information Centre on Higher Education
    > International Association of Universities
    > Unesco House, 1 rue Miollis,
    > 75732 PARIS Cedex 15, France
    > Tel: 33 (1) 4568 4803 _ _ _ _Fax: 33 (1) 4734 7605
    > EMail: [email protected] _ _

    I have pointed them towards the SRU website. Hopefully this will all go away soon.
     
  9. galanga

    galanga New Member

    conversation with Mme. Langlois

    I called the IAU office and spoke with Claudine Langlois this morning. Some points from our conversation, confirming mringer's email communication:

    (a) IAU is not part of UNESCO, but more of a partner organization (IAU: International Association of Universities, http://www.unesco.org/iau/). It is IAU which assembles and maintains the Handbook.

    (b) IAU doesn't include virtual universities in its handbook.

    (c) According to Mme. Langlois, Saint Regis University and Robertstown University (she'd never heard of Robertstown) filled out forms requesting inclusion, but that is the extent of their contact with IAU. They will not appear in the 2004-2005 Handbook.

    If I understood Mme. Langlois correctly, IAU is requesting that Saint Regis remove its claims from its web site.

    G
     
  10. piratesmac

    piratesmac New Member

    Excellent!

    :D
     
  11. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    At what point does an accumulation of deceit become fraud?
     
  12. g-gollin

    g-gollin New Member

    so there's really a letter??? (1 of 2)

    Hi folks,

    I tried to get Saint Regis University to send me that information verifying that "St. Regis University's name has been forwarded to UNESCO and has been approved for inclusion in the 2004-2005 International Handbook of Universities" that is promised on its web page at

    http://saintregis.edu.lr/accreditation.htm .

    I wanted the letter mailed to my work address; it does not seem appropriate to give my home address voluntarily to an organization which creates files with names like "gollin_disgraced.htm"

    For your information, here is the exchange of emails.

    GG

    =====================================

    To: <[email protected]
    Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003

    Please send the requested information.

    thanks-

    =====================================

    From: "Tia Roberts, University Senate Aide" <[email protected]
    Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003

    George,

    Thank you for your interest in our upcoming UNESCO listing.

    Please provide your full name, home address and phone number,
    and we will ship to you a certified copy of the official letter.

    Sincerely,

    Support Staff

    =====================================

    Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003

    here you go:

    George Gollin
    <business address and phone number>

    =====================================

    Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003

    George,

    Please read again below for proper directions.

    Please furnish your HOME address and phone number, and a certified copy will
    be mailed to you.

    Once we confirm this information the letter will be sent to you.

    Please let us know if we can be of further assistance.

    Sincerely,

    Support Staff

    =====================================

    Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003

    Hi Ms. Roberts,

    Certified mail is best handled using my daytime coordinates. It is secure in
    delivery and handling, and can be received and signed for as necessary. In
    addition I can be contacted immediately by the mail carrier if there are
    additional issues concerning delivery.

    Out of curiosity, why do you need my home information? You are welcome to
    call me at my office number if that would be helpful to you.

    George

    =====================================

    Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003

    George,

    Please read the directions I gave to you.

    If you want a copy of this letter, your home address is required. No
    exceptions.

    Staff

    =====================================

    Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003

    Why does it matter to you whether the letter is sent to a home address or
    a work address? I am puzzled by this.

    G

    =====================================

    Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003

    George,

    If you do not wish to have a copy of the letter, I shall not add you to the
    list.

    Please let us know if we can be of further assistance.

    Sincerely,

    Support Staff

    =====================================

    Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003

    Hi Ms. Roberts,

    I really would like a copy of the letter, please, but sent to my work
    address.

    regards,
    George

    =====================================

    Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003

    George,

    Please follow the simple instructions as supplied several times.

    Please let us know if we can be of further assistance.

    Sincerely,

    Support Staff

    =====================================

    Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003

    Dear Ms. Roberts,

    Matters relating to accrediation and credentials are properly sent to my
    work address rather than my home address. I would prefer to reserve my
    home address for personal correspondence.

    Saint Regis states in its web site that it "has been approved for inclusion
    in the 2004-2005 International Handbook of Universities." It would be
    natural to assume that the term "approved" refers to UNESCO's decision.
    However, it might be the case that "approved" is meant to refer to the
    National Board of Education's decision to allow SRU to apply for inclusion
    in the Handbook. Will the certified letter focus primarily on NBOE's
    decision to allow SRU to apply for inclusion?

    The most direct reading of the "has been approved for inclusion..."
    statement is that UNESCO has decided to include SRU in the Handbook.
    However, this is in apparent contradiction with statements attributed to
    Claudine Langlois, the director of the IAU/UNESCO Centre on Higher
    Education which assembles the Handbook.

    It would seem in the best interests of SRU to clarify this rapidly: one
    interpretation of the SRU and IAU statements is that they are
    contradictory and that IAU will not include SRU in the handook, and that
    the statement from SRU is untrue.

    Since you indicate that a document exists which will clarify things, and
    which you can send in order to accomplish this end, I am mystified why you
    insist on mailing it to a home address rather than a work address, and
    will choose to use this requirement as a reason to withold the information
    entirely.

    I realiize that postal service from Monrovia is probably spotty these days.
    Perhaps a telefax would work better than a certified letter? If that is
    your preference, I can receive faxes at +1 217 333-4451.

    thanks,
    George

    =====================================

    ...continued next post
     
  13. g-gollin

    g-gollin New Member

    so there's really a letter??? (2 of 2)

    ...continued from last post

    =====================================

    Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003

    George,

    Your reply is confusing to say the least! You seem to have thrown together
    an odd assortment of false assumptions.

    Most confusing is your constant referral to some "certified letter".

    Perhaps, if you read the description of what would be sent, you'd see that
    it clearly says "certified COPY" of the official letter.

    In addition, your comments regarding NBOE and other unrelated statements
    show that you are ignorant of the process involved for inclusion in the
    UNESCO Handbook.

    SRU does know the process, and has met each and every requirement.

    If you do not choose to follow simple directions, we do not object.

    You may choose to wait to see the letter once we post it at our website.

    Please let us know if we can be of further assistance.

    Sincerely,

    Support Staff

    =====================================

    Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003

    Dear Ms. Roberts,

    Thank you for clarifying the matter of "certified" referring to the
    authenticity of the copy of the letter, rather than the method of
    transmissin of the document.

    Concerning the inclusion of SRU in the UNESCO/IAU Handbook, Mme. Langlois
    is said to have stated that "Saint Regis University and Robertstown University
    filled out forms requesting inclusion, but that is the extent of their
    contact with IAU. They will not appear in the 2004-2005 Handbook."

    Will SRU be listed in the 2004-2005 Handbook in contradiction to Mme.
    Langlois' statement?

    thanks,
    George


    =====================================

    Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003

    George,

    Please read the announcement once again. It says the SRU will be included in
    the Handbook.

    It is certainly a farfetched leap on your part to conclude that this is some
    sort of "contradiction" made by Mme. Langlois.

    If you will read her statement, nowhere does Mme. Langlois state that SRU
    will not be included in the UNESCO handbook.

    Please let us know if we can be of further assistance.

    Sincerely,

    Support Staff

    =====================================

    To: <[email protected]
    Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003

    Dear Ms. Roberts,

    If there's no contradiction between Mme. Langlois' statement "St Regis
    University, Liberia, is not currently in our database and we do not plan to
    have an entry for it in the next International Handbook of Universities" and
    "SRU will be included in the Handbook" then perhaps the comments refer to
    two different handbooks or two different universities.

    As you point out, Mme. Langlois does not state that "SRU will not be
    included in the UNESCO handbook." IAU is affiliated with UNESCO, but is
    not the same organization as UNESCO. She never refers to the handbook as the
    "UNESCO handbook."

    Mme. Langlois is discussing the "International Handbook of Universities"
    last published in its 17th edition, June 2003, 2832 pages, ISBN:
    0333922654 (Palgrave); 92-9002-170-5 (IAU). Is the next edition of this the same
    Handbook you are referring to?

    Mme. Langlois confirms that SRU's information has been forwarded to UNESCO.
    Perhaps you are describing a different handbook from the one Mme. Langlois
    assembles, published by a different organization from IAU/UNESCO, but
    which has chosen the title "International Handbook of Universities" for its
    volume, in spite of possible confusion between the two documents.

    If that's the case, then the statement "St. Regis University's name has been
    forwarded to UNESCO and has been approved for inclusion in the 2004-2005
    International Handbook of Universities" might tend to be incorrectly
    interpreted, without containing factually innaccurate information.

    Is this the resolution of the apparent paradox? Your suggestion "please
    read the announcement once again" and comment "nowhere does Mme. Langlois
    state..." feel rather like hints to a riddle's solution.

    cheers,
    George

    =====================================

    Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003

    George,

    We really do not have time for your word games.

    You will be able to view the letter when it appears at the website, which
    you seem to visit frequently.

    I am sure that once you see this letter all of your concerns will disappear.

    Please let us know if we can be of further assistance.

    Sincerely,

    Support Staff

    =====================================

    Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003

    Dear Ms. Roberts,

    In that case I will await posting of the letter to the SRU website. But it
    did seem like a riddle, and there's a certain amount of pleasure to be had
    in puzzling them out. Either you were being clever or you were being
    untruthful, and I was guessing that you were being clever. So I will wait.

    George

    =====================================
     
  14. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I especially enjoyed "certified copy" and "word games". I guess you can call a search for truth "word games" but it is a most delightful twist on the phrase "word games".

    BTW, would you like a certified copy of a letter signed with the name George Washington where he gives Abraham Lincoln advice on the Emancipation Proclamation?
     
  15. jerryclick

    jerryclick New Member

    The interaction between g-gollin and Ms. Roberts at SRU remind me of a conversation I had with a former boss about HIS SRU degree. :) (I don't work there anymore)
     
  16. tcnixon

    tcnixon Active Member

    Are there any legitimate universities that offer link and banner exchanges?




    Tom Nixon
     
  17. galanga

    galanga New Member

    UNESCO, IAU, SRU

    This become part of the public record earlier today so I reproduce it here.

    From: Langlois, Claudine [[email protected]]
    Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 3:50 AM
    To: 'Distance Degree News!'
    Subject: RE: St. Regis' Listing in UNESCO International University
    Handbook

    Would you please tell us what is the origin of this wrong information
    (below) concerning the inclusion of St Regis University, Liberia, in the
    next issue of the International Handbook of Universities? St Regis has
    indeed asked to complete a questionnaire for the Handbook and has returned
    it to us but this does not mean that they will be included. The World Higher
    Education Database (WHED), and the publications derived from it, does not
    generally lists on-line only and/or transnational institutions of higher
    education. Other databases are planning to deal with this type of
    institutions.

    Please also note that the International Handbook of Universities is a
    publication of the International Association of Universities. Could you
    please correct the information below accordingly.

    Claudine Langlois, Director,
    IAU/UNESCO Information Centre on Higher Education

    International Association of Universities
    Unesco House, 1 rue Miollis,
    75732 PARIS Cedex 15, France
    Tel: 33 (1) 4568 4803 Fax: 33 (1) 4734 7605
    EMail: [email protected]
    Web: http://www.unesco.org/iau


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Distance Degree News! [mailto:eek:[email protected]]
    Sent: dimanche 19 octobre 2003 03:58
    To: ...
    Subject: St. Regis' Listing in UNESCO International University Handbook

    St. Regis University UNSECO Update, October 18, 2003

    http://saintregis.edu.lr
    http://saintregis.edu.lr/unesco%20handbook.gif
    As announced by the newly
    installed government of Liberia, St. Regis University's name has been
    forwarded to UNESCO and has been APPROVED for inclusion in the 2004-2005
    International Handbook of Universities, and will be announced in the
    upcoming January Newsletter (published 3 times per year).

    What is the Importance to you, the Alumnus, that St Regis University is
    being listed in the UNESCO Handbook of Universities?

    This inclusion in the upcoming publication adds even more strength to SRU
    Degrees! Although the accreditation of SRU Degrees has always been easy to
    verify, it is now easier for employers, grad schools and other schools to
    quickly accept your SRU Degrees.

    http://saintregis.edu.lr/free_eval_disc.htm
    CLICK HERE to find out if you qualify for a Degree based on what you already know!

    With regards to "accreditation" it should be noted that outside the US
    countries do not "accredit" universities, they "recognize" them. However, in
    Liberia, accreditation and recognition are synonymous.

    http://saintregis.edu.lr/138_hds.gif
    St. Regis University, Chartered in 1984, is fully recognized (accredited) by
    the Ministry of Education in Liberia. UNESCO is the World's leading
    authority on education. Many agencies rely on the UNESCO Handbook of
    Universities to confirm a school's recognition by its own Ministry of
    http://saintregis.edu.lr/accreditation.htm Education.

    This approval for publication of St Regis' name to be listed in the upcoming
    UNESCO Handbook of Universities helps to insure that all SRU degrees receive
    the same international recognition that is granted to accredited degrees
    from Universities worldwide.

    Graduating from a recognized institution, alumni can expect to be respected
    for their academic accomplishments. Graduates of St. Regis University enjoy
    careers in a variety of professional fields in business, education and
    health professions; this includes, but is not limited to, careers in
    educational administration, scholarly research, and university academics.

    Although advisory evaluations are respected by many employers, universities,
    and licensing boards, it is important to keep in mind that evaluation
    agencies are not accrediting organizations. However, they do track
    institutions that are recognized by the appropriate authorities or
    organization in that country. Several evaluation organizations have
    evaluated and found St Regis University to have met these standards, and
    have issued evaluation reports stating that the St Regis Degree is
    equivalent to a US Regionally Accredited Degree.

    How to Have Your St Regis Degree Evaluated as Equivalent to a US Regionally
    Accredited Degree.

    As a rule any non-US degree should be evaluated by a recognized foreign
    credential evaluation agency. Because St. Regis University is accredited by
    the Ministry of Education of their home country, you can have your degree
    evaluated as equivalent to a US Regionally Accredited degree. This
    evaluation will provide answers to any possible questions concerning the
    value of your degree even before they arise. It can be also be used for
    further education (many St Regis University graduates have gone on to
    graduate school at accredited US Universities), licensing (many St Regis
    University graduates have had their degree accepted by the education and
    other departments of their home state), and employment.

    http://saintregis.edu.lr/doors.jpg
    Evaluations can open many doors to
    SUCCESS!

    For more information about how you can have your degree evaluated and about
    the evaluation process in general feel free to contact Liz Ross at
    [email protected]

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    recognized agency click here for a Special
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  18. galanga

    galanga New Member

    more from IAU/UNESCO

    This too is (as of this morning) a FOIA-able message, reproduced here.

    From: Langlois, Claudine [[email protected]]
    Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 4:51 AM
    To: ...
    Subject: RE: [Fwd: [Fwd: St. Regis' Listing in UNESCO International
    University Handbook]]

    Dear ...,

    Yes, we received the payment to-day! Thank you very much.

    Please, be reassured concerning St Regis University and all the other
    newly-created universities in Liberia. It is not planned to include these
    institutions in the WHED Database and in the Handbook. St Regis is simply
    dissiminating wrong information and I am asking them to take it out.

    Preston University is a totally different case because it is duly recognized
    by the Higher Education Commission of Pakistan, the only accrediting body of
    that country and until now quite trustworthy. This is why we have been
    listing this institution in the WHED for the last 2 years or so. The fact
    that it is not accredited in the US (by the way, we do not list Preston
    University in the US because it is not accredited in its own country) is
    not, therefore a criteria in this case. We cannot have all the 16000
    institutions of higher education in the WHED database accredited in the US,
    can we?

    We are, however, investigating the case of Preston University in Pakistan
    further (as well as Berne University International Graduate School in St
    Kitts and Levis which has been de-listed from the US accreditation list this
    summer). These are the only two universities which pose problems in the
    whole WHED database!

    Please note that Preston, Pakistan, and Berne, St Kitts, are also listed in
    the UK Naric CDRom "International Comparisons" (Preston is still listed
    under the name of what has now become one of its campuses, the Preston
    Institute of Management Sciences and Technology, PIMSAT).
    I will keep you informed of any further developments concerning these 2
    institutions.

    Kind regards

    Claudine

    Claudine Langlois, Director,
    IAU/UNESCO Information Centre on Higher Education
    Unesco House, 1 rue Miollis,
    75732 PARIS Cedex 15, France
    Tel: 33 (1) 4568 4803 Fax: 33 (1) 4734 7605
    EMail: [email protected]
    Web: http://www.unesco.org/iau
     
  19. galanga

    galanga New Member

    SRU backpeddles, a little.

    Perhaps in response to objections from IAU/UNESCO, Saint Regis University has modified its claims concerning inclusion in the IAU Handbook. It no longer claims to have been approved for inclusion on the SRU site's entry page. However, the claim is still made on the accreditation page, but with the link for obtaining verification now gone. This is similar to the way in which SRU has handled protests from the Liberian Embassy in Washington concerning verification of its accreditation: removing some, but not all, of the material which has been found objectionable by the referenced agency.

    Here are extracts from the pages:


    November 8 front page for Saint Regis at http://saintregis.edu.lr/ :

    St. Regis University Officially Chartered July 10, 1984
    The National Commission for Higher Education in the
    Republic of Liberia has forwarded the name of St. Regis University to
    be published in the UNESCO Book of Universities 2004-2005. More info.
    (link to accreditation page)

    October 19 front page for Saint Regis at http://saintregis.edu.lr/ :

    St. Regis University Officially Chartered July 10, 1984
    St. Regis University received formal approval for inclusion in the 2004-2005
    UNESCO International Handbook of Universities Publication. More info...
    (link to accreditation page)


    However, the change has not been propagated into the accreditation page except for the removal of the "mailto" link which had previously been there for requesting verification:

    November 8 version of http://saintregis.edu.lr/accreditation.htm

    As per the newly installed government of Liberia, St. Regis University's name has been forwarded to UNESCO and has been approved for inclusion in the 2004-2005 International Handbook of Universities, and will be announced in the upcoming January Newsletter, published 3 times per year.

    October 19 version of http://saintregis.edu.lr/accreditation.htm

    As per the newly installed government of Liberia, St. Regis University's name has been forwarded to UNESCO and has been approved for inclusion in the 2004-2005 International Handbook of Universities, and will be announced in the upcoming January Newsletter, published 3 times per year. Click here to request verification information.


    G
     
  20. MarkIsrael@aol.com

    [email protected] New Member

    http://saintregis.edu.lr/accreditation.htm now says: "St. Regis University is listed at UNESCO and is scheduled for print in their upcoming handbook edition 2005." The link is to a letter, http://saintregis.edu.lr/UNESCO-Letter.jpg. The letterhead says:
    The letter says:
    http://usr.edu.do/SRU/accreditation.htm also says: "St. Regis University is listed at UNESCO and is scheduled for print in their upcoming handbook edition 2005." But here the link is to http://www.unesco.org/education/portal/e_learning/Higher_Education/Interesting_Sites/English/, which does indeed have an icon and link for Saint Regis University. :mad: The UNESCO Web page says "last updated: 2001-03-20". The Wayback machine confirms that it has been advertising SRU since at least 23 June 2002.

    Can we alert Genevieve Rabreau and Claudine Langlois to the UNESCO Web page?
     

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