What does it mean to be CA State Approved

Ohnalee, this is interesting input. Do you know what the issues were for the bill to be rewritten? Was it a reluctance on the part of the legislature to create a new cost center or something else? Thanks.

 

Ohnalee: "Good topic idea! Go to the off-topic forum."


Cehi: I read your post in the off-topic forum. Now, I know better. Thank you.

 

BTW, IIRC, the acronyms in question are in use throughout the internet and in IM communications, IMHO. But I see an OT thread has been started, and I'm sure more will arise.

TTFN....

 

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Ike Okonkwo, Ph.D.

 

"Was it a reluctance on the part of the legislature to create a new cost center or something else?"

I haven't heard yet, but that would be my best guess. The rumor I heard is, when it became painfully clear the Leg. was going to embarrass itself by missing the budget deadline again, nobody wanted to support bills that looked, even on the surface, as if they would cost the taxpayers. (The BPPVE and CSAC are self-supporting, ironically.)

Also, any bill's success or failure comes down to the influence of those who support or oppose it. Follow the money.

Or as Paul Lynde said when asked how the rat-race was going, "The rats are winning."

 

Ah, yes Mr Kirkland

It is usually easiest when one has a position without substance to resort to personal attacks, tirades and falsehoods. Too bad. If you actually had an intellectually supportable position you could have responded with facts. I hope you do better in the real world than you do presenting your postions on this board.

 

I feel left out. I guess my comments are unemotional and unsubstantiated? Or are they emotional but substantiated?

Some facts: The BPPVE approves hundreds and hundreds of schools, where the CPPVE (when under the 3-tier system) approved only a handful of programs within schools. The BPPVE operates from the Department of Consumer Affairs. It allows schools like Fredrick Taylor and Pacific Western to skirt its approval by offering many degrees (from their California operations) under Hawaiian law. And it tolerates Kennedy-Western. 'Nuff said.

 

You tolerated MIGS for a year. I would choose CCU over your former school any day of the week, and I don't need any third rate, biased research to tell me that!!

 

Kirkland and James, you two fellows seem to be on a rampage of some kind lately. What gives? Kirkland goes off the deep end because he can't even admit a minor mistake about who coined the term GAAP. Then James starts attacking the whole DegreeInfo community by accusing everyone of slanting their opinions so that we can all get rich from website advertisements for RA schools. (yea right ) So what gives? Seriously, what is your beef? It seems that you guys expect us to satisfy some need that isn't getting satifisfied? What is it? Are you sure that you're looking in the right place?

 

I too would choose CCU over MIGS except for the Ph.D., especially thanks to 20/20 hindsight. I don't think that a CCU Ph.D. is anymore valid than a MIGS Ph.D.. If the MIGS Ph.D. was to have been bestowed with the Mexican school name on it then it would have been far more valid than a CCU Ph.D..

BTW, what research are you referring to as biased?

 

My guess is that they are guys with state-approved degrees who came here in search of support and validation. They wanted us to applaud their accomplishment. But they got a dose of dismissal instead, and they are feeling hurt, bitter and resentful.

So in retaliation we have all these threads full of bitter accusations that we are "RA or no way" zealots and that Degreeinfo is some kind of conspiracy, when the real beef is that their particular non-RA accomplishments didn't get the admiration that they had hoped for.

It's probably something that we should think about.

How can we address people who study at schools that we don't consider good choices, without bruising their egos too badly? People come here all proud of what they accomplished, sometimes after putting years of labor into it, and then they feel shit upon. At best they don't like it, at worst they may be put off higher education entirely.

So how can we be sensitive to people's emotional needs without being forced into embracing lame programs just to protect fragile feelings?

I don't know the answer.

 

You don't know what you're talking about, and you enjoy the 20-20 nature of hindsight. The purported result of the MIGS process was a degree issued by the CEU. Most of the discussion centered on that concept. Go read the threads for the details.

Which research, in your opinion, is "third rate" and "biased."? Those are pretty strong words. I'm sure you've read the research you're referring to, and are qualified to draw such conclusions (having a doctorate yourself), right? After all, not to have read it would show a remarkable prejudice, and not being qualified to judge it as "third rate" would reveal the same.


(FWIW, I would choose a properly issued degree from the CEU over one from CCU.)

 

I don't think anyone is getting rained on for their personal choice, especially with a degree from a California-Approved school. But I do think their unsupported assertions about the degrees' value to others and similar statements do get refuted. At that point, said posters seem to take it personally and lash out.

There are other posters on this board with such degrees who don't have ridicule thrust upon them. I think it's because of their more professional demeanor and a willingness to discuss issues surrounding their schools without resorting to hyperbole, unsupported arguments, and ad hominem attacks. (I'm "biased" and conduct "third-rate" research, for example.)

 

I did read the posts you made and the ones making fun of you and your choice. Migs is good now, wow, what a turn around. Let's see- MIGS is good move from Union, No, no, no MIGS is bad move back to Union. Now in debate MIGS is back to good. You see Rich your views move around like a leaf in the wind. Your research twists and winds as it moves around to meet your changing ideas. You have no idea what Wal-Mart , K-Mart, Sears,Target, all those millions of small and large businesses out in the real world do as to hiring. Wal-Mart has managemnet with all types of education. For you to claim to know what the large/ small retail stores do as to their own hiring is as far from your knowledge as a pimple on a gorilla's butt is to Mt. Everest.

 

] FLAME

If this is a true statement you must have proof, would you kindly share it with us?

 

James

Rich said a properly issued degree from CEU was "good". If you are going to paraphrase someone you should get it right. Otherwise, it looks like you don't even understand what you have read. As far as your follow up comment about Kmart, Target, etc, it doesn't make a lot of sense. Are you saying that is where CCU graduates could get employment? Most of us aspire to places other than the ones you mentioned. Again, it seems like the two of you have a very big chip on your shoulders. Why all the anger?

 

James, do you feel we've been on some kind of a rampage here according to Bill?? I think that a few of the regulars are just surprised that others would come in, prepared to take a few shots, and challenge their views demanding evidence. If you present an opposing argument, regardless of your educational background, you are a shill and the search is on to find what they perceive is a weakness to discredit your opinion. I view it as a "priest-in-the-temple" syndrome. They probably view it as "the great unwashed are at the gates". Some of the regulars speak as if they own the place. They certainly spend a lot of time here talking to themselves. The notion that they hold the great truth and others come to them for validation is ridiculous in my opinion and reflects the condescension of some that is a real issue here.

There are some good discussions here and I've learned some things and hopefully helped some others. I think I've provided facts and evidence to support my assertions in most cases. I would like to see more facts and references presented in arguments.

This forum seems to be more for entertainment than education. Let's get over "who is better than who". For instance, if you don't like my credentials, shut up about them, they're real and official, and you can't do anything about it. Also, in the future I will not refer to anyone as Dr. so don't expect it or be offended by the lack of it, we are all Mr. or Ms. in this bunch, I suggest we try to live up to even that standard. So, for the regulars, we can make this more professional or you can continue to run this as your private degreemill finders society gone awry. Your choice.

 

Let us remember that Wal-Mart is the #1 Fortune 500 corporation and you should aspire to be the best...

 

My only thought is this: We fall back on the idea that we've always fallen back upon, that is utility. If a person has earned a degree from an institution that is generally considered to be substandard then we can try to determine what benefit that person has derived from the degree. Has it earned them a raise? A promotion? A foot in the door of a new career? Of course, this would require some substantial disclosure on the part of this person. After all, anyone could register anonymously and claim, for example, that their K-W Phd got them a tenure track position at some university. They'd have to be willing to give their name, the name of their employer, etc. in order to verify their claim. I'm sure some discrete method of disclosure could be developed so that the persons personal information was not splashed all over the internet. Perhaps through a PM to one of the moderators? If they're unwilling to have their claims verified then the natural consequence is simply disbelief.
Jack