Unaccredited / State Approved!

Hi,

I seem to recall that Frank passed the Bar exam in the state that he was operating in at the time !

So, perhaps he would have some pertinent observations to make ..... that maybe he didn't have the "required" entry criteria (according to those that chose to define them), but he managed to achieve the necessary level regardless.

A message for others as well .....

Cheers,

Neil

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Abagnale's most academically relevant claimed exploit: spending a summer semester teaching sociology at Brigham Young University in Provo, Utah. "You just read a chapter ahead of your students," said Abagnale, a high school dropout. "They never suspected."
http://peggy8_8.tripod.com/catchmeifyoucan2.html
BYU disputes that he did this:
http://www.sltrib.com/2002/Dec/12222002/arts/13322.asp

Neil Hynd wrote:

> I seem to recall that Frank passed the Bar exam in the state
> that he was operating in at the time !

Yes, (as he describes it in his book) after 3 attempts and several months of study. In the movie, he was made to say "I studied for 2 weeks and I passed it."

James wrote:

> I suspect that it's more fun if you haven't been the victim

With one exception, Abagnale's (financial) victims were large corporations, not individuals. The exception was the model / call girl who keeps saying "Go fish!" in the movie.

 

Don't forget his father. He stuck him for $2500 on a gas credit card.

 

Yes, good point. I sit corrected.

 

I have personally observed two individuals with "unaccredited/ approved" degrees lose adjunct teaching positions in RA schools. I realize that you may not care to ever teach - but if others pursue such a degree thinking they may someday teach, they may be in for a surprise.

Regards - Andy

 

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Thanks for posting, good information.

 

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Did these individuals actually start the job but then were let go after it was realized that their degrees were unaccredited?

 

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I did not think about it, but Bill travels an important road with his question.
1- Did the people obtain these degrees before or after employment?
2- What was the origin of the degrees, degree mills, unaccredited=self validated, state approved?
3- Do you know if the degrees were the instigators of the process of termination?

P.S. I didn't coin the phrase self validated, was borrowed (stolen) from Henrik. Such a wonderful, rich, colorful manner of speech. Even when I disagree with him. I enjoy the way he makes his statements, a pleasure to listen to...

Best regards- James

 

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One person lost his job when an accreditation visit revealed his status. The other person was hired and started into a training series when he was let go.

Regards - Andy

 

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"Yes officier, I made that drivers license on my computer. I am a self validated driver."

"Why yes Mr. Banker, I will be paying my bill with self validated money."

Obviously self validated means less than nothing. It is a sign of a degree mill or fraud.

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Yes all the best con-men have a great way with speech and people. Their talent is in making people look past the facts. That, however, does not change the facts or that the con-man is out to decieve and cheat those he speaks with.

 

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Ouch!

Thanks for the information and clarification.

 

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I'm not ready to say that it's always sign of a mill, but it certainly could be. Henrik explains his views well. He is educated and colorful. That could be also said of Frank Abagnale, but I'm inadequately informed to reach the conclusion that Henrik is that type person. I believe he's on the forum to stay, time will tell. Until then he must prove himself to be a fraud, or others must show strong solid facts for me to call him a fraud. He is going to be innocent until proven guilty, in my eyes.
James

 

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Yes but your hardly impartial on this matter. A good con-man uses that against his mark. Henrik runs a danish "school" with a british name that is recognized by no one. It is "self-validated"! I agree both Frank and Henrik are great communicators AND con-men.

 

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We are hardly impartial on this matter. We all bring baggage to the table. What ever the result of his joining the forum, he'll sure light up a thread.

 

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From what I've read, Henrik is very well versed (better than most) and he explains his position well. I think your characterization of him as a con-man is incorrect (although I don't know his history). He appears to be a businessman providing an education-related product that has little or no official recognition but is still of some value to his constituents. If anyone is a con-man in the formula I think it would be the person who presents the product (degree) to others as something it is not.

 

In other words Henrik is merely the co-conspirator?

 

I've seen no evidence that he is other than a delightfully interesting person. If you know of illegal activity on his part tell us.

 

No, I don't think that is the right word ...businessman. Without any other knowledge (on my part) of his operation or whether he has been indicted or has a criminal record or whether his company uses fraudulent techniques to market, he appears to be a businessman who's company markets a product that has the possibility of being incorrectly used or even fraudulently used, if taken to extremes. I don't think you can accurately subscribe those end conditions to him however unless he performed those actions. He must know that his product may be misused by some, but isn't this true for so many products?

 

Hi Guys

I think you are both being overly generous given the facts. That is certainly your right. While I agree that Henrik is charming that does not lend credibility to his claims. It is clear he realizes that most who pursue his program do so to deceive others. Henrik himself shows the same pattern. In any event I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one.