Saint Regis University

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by atlas1212, Jun 25, 2003.

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  1. Jeff Hampton

    Jeff Hampton New Member

    I didn't realize that you were talking about medical schools. In that case, you are probably right. An education from an average U.S. medical school will likely be far better than one from an average "third world" medical school. This is largely because they do not have access to the technology we have here.

    But if you are talking liberal arts undergrad degrees, from what I can gather, legitimate universities in developing countries tend to be more difficult than the average U.S. RA school.

    It seems somewhat intuitive to me. If you are talking about a country where <5% of the people receive a college education, those people will tend to be exceptionally intelligent and/or well educated. And only the brightest of those will go on to be professors, and those people will likely do at least some of their grad work in "developed" countries.
     
  2. atlas1212

    atlas1212 New Member

    Sooo.... Bill, how did you research turn out?
     
  3. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I sent the question off to UIU and Bellevue. These are my primary targets because of your claim that they had actually evaluated SRU and after their investigation concluded that SRU degrees were equivalent to RA. I figure that depending on how the question was asked you should be able to easily elicit a positive response to a carefully worded hypothetical question. That's why I'm most interested in a response from UIU and Bellevue.
     
  4. plcscott

    plcscott New Member

    I don't have a dog in this fight, but this goes both ways. How was your question asked?
     
  5. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    My email sent a day or two before Bill's didn't mince words. I pointed out that all that was needed was a resume and a credit card number to get a degree.

    I haven't received a reply and my guess is that I won't.
     
  6. plcscott

    plcscott New Member

    Dennis:

    Is that true? Did you give them your resume, and CC? Or are you speculating?
     
  7. atlas1212

    atlas1212 New Member

    What's funny is, I asked specifically about St. Regis in Liberia. The registrar replied specifically about that school, and I didn't load the question with any hypotheticals and didn't sugar coat it in any way. You guys on the other hand loaded your questions by directly infering it was a mill. Why not just ask straight out and see what their response is like I did? I'm tired of everyone here saying, "maybe they thought it was regis in colorado." or "maybe it was some temp who didn't know any better." Look, that was not the case. If anything, the way YOU are phrasing the question is going to elicit some sort of defense mechanism. Though, I'm confident they are going to give you the same response they gave me.
     
  8. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    Emailed Bellevue, not St Regis. Bellevue has courses, can't waste my time there.:D
     
  9. plcscott

    plcscott New Member

    As I would have guessed. I know nothing about St. Regis, but again I see you making accusations that you do not know is true or not.
     
  10. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Atlas put up what looked like a hodge-podge of cut and paste editing and seemed to claim that it was a copy of Kelly's response. What it appeared to be to me was his response to her email and then he perhaps pasted in some of her email. So the better question is to Atlas. Let's see what you asked and what the response was. You've completed your non-scientific study whereas mine has just started.
     
  11. plcscott

    plcscott New Member

    My reply above was posted more towards the comment that Dennis made than yours.

    Dennis seemed to tell the school that he gave St. Regis a resume and credit card, and they gave him a degree. If I called up any school, and said I got a degree with resume, and credit card would you accept my degree for entrance into your masters program. I would think any school would say no. At least I would hope so.
     
  12. atlas1212

    atlas1212 New Member

    Huffman, will you quit acting like a jackass. I pasted the letter she sent me, minus my personal info. I have no reason to lie.

    When you get your results, let us all know. Why would I post something, and then stick around to have you prove me wrong?

    What I posted was the truth. Soon enough, you'll find out the same I'm sure. If not, at least is shows that on a cursory check, even using St. Regis of Liberia's name clearly, that a registrar at an accredited college will acknowledge the legitimacy of liberian credentialing. Like I said, this was no mix up. They knew exactly what I meant and responded in kind.

    If you pull up something different, either you bullied them into replying that way, or they told me it was approved out of sheer laziness without checking. All I can say is, they seemed familiar with St. Regis and were comfortable with it's accreditation. The response from them was phrased as if they had already checked this out before.

    By the way, what is taking so long? I got a response from them the same day. You've been on your little investigation for who knows how long.
     
  13. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Interesting that you supposedly got a response on the same day. Perhaps they (Bellevue and UIU) had already evaluated SRU as you say but I don't believe it. That is the part of your story that I don't believe. If that were the case, why would it be taking multiple days for this second response? Now what other explanation is there for them taking so long besides that they're really investigating SRU in this case?

    A) Maybe because Mark and I both asked so they are overwhelmed with correspondence? :p

    B) I know that they are going to say that they won't accept SRU degrees, perhaps it just takes longer to produce a higher quality response?

    C) Perhaps they recognized that I'm an asshole so thought they should make sure their response was correct, since they knew that I would bully them into giving me the correct answer anyway? :D
     
  14. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I don't see anything in there where they say that they investigated SRU? Where's that part of the response? Is that the part that you made up?
     
  15. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    Atlas

    While I think you are being sincere, I think your conclusions are wrong.

    Any response you got in one day would be from an "Admissions Counselor" or, more generically, salesperson. If they asked the registrar's office it might have been, "Hey do we give credit to properly accredited foreign schools?"

    The response would have been something like,"Umm, yeah IF it is properly accredited AND legitimate." What good does it do to get a saleperson's answer and then later on get a big denial? Why don't you email your contact back and explain that it is a controversial school and you want to be sure they will definately grant the credit? I think then you have a chance at the real answer.
     
  16. atlas1212

    atlas1212 New Member

    For the BILLIONTH time... I emailed the person who responds to the ASK US, section of their website. Her name is Kelly. Kelly didn't know so she emailed the registrar. Kelly emailed me back the registrars response. The registrars response was that they accept degrees from SRU, AND that SRU degrees are equivalent to the US degrees. I didn't make it up, that is what the registrar of Bellevue University said.

    You guys don't have to keep making up excuses like, "Maybe they thought X or maybe they thought Y". They didn't make a mistake. They knew I was talking about SRU. They knew it was the one in Liberia. That is clear from the fact that the registrar said, "Yes, we accept degrees from SRU in Liberia" and the fact that they followed it up with "Their degrees are equivalent to US degrees." So, this implies they knew it was foreign, AND that they knew exactly what school I was talking about.

    Just accept it. And as far as Huffman, if he acted like an ass to them like he's acted to me, they will probably NEVER respond.
     
  17. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member


    Mental note - shilling worthless degrees makes people cranky.
     
  18. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    Accept what? That St. Regis really is academically legitimate? That some universities are too incompetent to recognize that they are being scammed? Or that there is nothing wrong with tying to pass unearned degrees so long as there's money in it and people don't catch you?
     
  19. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    You need to just accept it, Mr. 1212. No where in the email message you pasted into this thread does Bellevue say.

    If my expressing the fact that I don't believe you, when you make up a ridiculous claim makes me an ass then I'll wear my ass badge proudly. :D
     
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  20. atlas1212

    atlas1212 New Member

    REPOST

    Here is the email. Because I didn't know I'd be receiving such harsh personal criticism, I just copy and pasted it haphazardly. Here is the actual email, sans my personal information which has been replaced with my handle on this forum (this also includes my mention to them that they are not listed on the ACE webpage):

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Atlas1212 [mailto:[email protected]]
    Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 11:30 AM
    To: Kelly Dengel
    Subject: RE: Degree Acceptance

    Atlas1212,

    Below is the response from our Registrar Office regarding St. Regis University:

    "Kelly,

    Yes, we accept degrees from St. Regis University in Liberia. Their Bachelor degree is comparable to our U.S. bachelor degree the same for their master degrees."

    Could you send me the link to the online ACE guide or tell me where you saw that listing? I will have our Registrar follow up on that because we definitely should be listed. If you need our accreditation status,

    please visit the following page:

    http://www.bellevue.edu/Online/accreditation.html

    Thanks Atlas1212 and let me know if you need anything further!

    Kelly
     

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