Saint Regis University

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by atlas1212, Jun 25, 2003.

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  1. plcscott

    plcscott New Member

    That second part was not meant for you. It was meant for the one who said: Where do these fools come from?

    I have no doubt about your research, and I believe you. I was just stating my opinion about a purchased degree.

    I tend to agree with Chip in that these schools probably have SRU confused or do not know anything about it.
     
  2. atlas1212

    atlas1212 New Member

    Well, yeah.. I see your point. I mean, I don' t think that is the optimal way to get a degree.
     
  3. George Brown

    George Brown Active Member

  4. PaulC

    PaulC Member

    Boy, I could not disagree more. I think taking a pass/fail exam in order to be granted academic credit is worlds, no universes apart from being granted credit simply because you experienced something. The exam has a metric that is at least quantifiable to a known degree. Experience, on its own, has absolutely no metrics and no way to assess any knowledge at all. Way far apart in my book. How do you see these as being close enough to saying "not far apart"?
     
  5. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I don't believe you.

    It appears to me that you've argued that academic fraud is acceptable. I'm sorry but I believe that academic fraud is dishonest. In my opinion when someone is dishonest, I tend to be rather skeptical when they make statements like this.
     
  6. atlas1212

    atlas1212 New Member

    There is an easy solution for everyone here who is crying so loudly. Just email Bellevue. If there was a misunderstanding, it will be revealed. But, I'm telling you, I specifically said St. Regis in Liberia and Bellevue specifically replied that they accept their degrees as foreign equivalents to US degrees. There was clearly no confusion between SRU and Regis in Colorado. So that theory is toast.
     
  7. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member


    I emailed Bellevue asking them what they were thinking.

    Perhaps you emailed Bellevue Hospital in New York and they said they regularly accept people with St Regis degrees.
     
  8. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Okay here's the proposal, to make it worth my while to expose your lie, tell me the name of the person at Bellvue that told you this. That way when I report back, I can also report back that you are a proven liar.
     
  9. plcscott

    plcscott New Member

    Maybe it is something in the water here, but I tend not to call someone a liar unless I know for sure he is lying. The guy is not saying RSU is not a mill. He was just pointing out how some people do not know, or will not check.

    With that said he may be lying, but should you not give him the benefit of doubt. Check him out before you call him a liar. Gees!
     
  10. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    I've seen it 100 times, for Bill it must be 200. The names of these schools keep coming back and their usefulness is debated. When all is said and done degrees from such schools still prove to be useless.

    Because a temporary secretary answering the phone says such degrees are acceptable it ain't so.
     
  11. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Nor does the appeal to ressentiment by some posters make it so.
     
  12. atlas1212

    atlas1212 New Member

    Huffman, email "ASK US". I talked to someone named "Kelly". She emailed the "Registrar". I posted ALL of this verbatim up above. It isn't worth posting back and forth about. JUST DO IT. Why even ask who I talked to? Just email them and shut up. Regardless of what you find, I'm not lying. I'm telling you exactly what they told me. And for the millionth time, I was very clear about what school I was talking about and they were VERY clear about their acceptance of it. No shut up and email them.
     
  13. atlas1212

    atlas1212 New Member

    Ruhl,

    It wasn't a temporary secretary. It was a full time admissions officer, who got confirmation from their full time registrar. Quit being intellectually dishonest and just accept the facts as they are, regardless of the outcome.
     
  14. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    Funny that you should use the term intellectually dishonest.

    Accept the facts. Why? If a real school is accepting St Regis degrees, something must be done about it.
     
  15. atlas1212

    atlas1212 New Member

    I suppose sarcasm and false accusations are your solution?
     
  16. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    Why not, but I emailed Bellevue and hopefully I get the right answer. If I don't get the right answer, there are other avenues.
     
  17. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    No Atlas, I see the point very well.

    You are telling us that there is nothing wrong with lying if doing so can make you money.

    I do find it ironic though, that an individual with those views would call others "intellectually dishonest".
     
  18. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    As the tiny number of people that read my posts are aware, I've been a vocal critic of "GAAP" for a long time.

    I think that simply accepting all universities that are approved by foreign governments is a recipe for abuse when some of those foreign governments enforce no academic standards or can be bought with a bribe.

    Degree mills are constantly evolving. They move from jurisdiction to jurisdiction and embrace dodge after dodge.

    The cutting edge of "degree-mill science" seems to be establishing mail-box forwarding addresses in weak foreign jurisdictions, getting some kind of often-obscure local "flag of convenience" approval, and then parading back into the US (which they physically never left) claiming that they have "GAAP status" and are therefore "equivalent" to regionally accredited universities.

    St. Regis is not the first to try that, nor will it be the last. It's a growing problem.

    That's where Atlas' claims come in. He's claiming that this dodge still works with many university admissions officers who should know better by now. He's suggesting that many admissions officers simply accept all foreign approvals uncritically and are blind to the degree mills that exploit the "GAAP" criteria.

    That may be true in some cases. Given that there are thousands of universities out there, I'd be surprised if it wasn't.

    Atlas argues that they can and probably should be exploited by individuals who want to get phony educational credentials recognized. There's nothing wrong with it, and it can be money in it. If they can be scammed, then go ahead and scam them.

    But apart from the ethical aspect, that's essentially the same thing as calling those admissions officers incompetent. That's why I find Atlas' claims hard to believe. I think that admissions officers aren't nearly as clueless as he claims that they are.

    But assuming that he's right, then the fact that St. Regis is passing through admissions offices and credential evaluators as "RA equivalent" is kind of a reductio-ad-absurdem of the practice of simply accepting all approvals uncritically, so long as they come from foreign governments.

    Most admissions officers are either already aware of the problem (that's what I believe), or else they need to become aware very quickly. The spectacle of degree mills expoiting Liberian "flag of convenience" accreditation will probably do a lot to highlight the problem.




    They are still blissfully unaware that they are being scammed, so why not scam them?






    That is essentially the same thing as calling them incompetent. And that is
     
  19. Veteran101

    Veteran101 New Member

    My Guess?

    I would gather that such institutions as Bellvue and other get confused with discussion topics via telephone.

    St. Regis could be confused with Regis in Colorado
    http://www.regis.edu/

    Just as LaSalle University in Philadelphia
    http://www.lasalle.edu/
    was confused with Lasalle in Louisiana.

    The goal with any mill as with any criminal perhaps is to create confusion.
    It seems a mill will copy a name of a private college over a state university. Lack of name sake will create confusion.

    Unfortunately, anyone with one ounce of common sense would have to ask the validity of a degree coming from a nation involved in a civil war for over a decade. A country where the average life expectancy is 46. A country where the literacy rate is less than 30%. And a country where the economy is in ruins.
    Sure, I would send my personal information over the net to a Liberia outfit. My birthdate, address, life history, a social security number possibly?

    Remember security. The majority of identity theft comes out of Nigeria and Liberia.

    You might get a degree for 500 bucks from the like of St. Regis or Amela for example. Then again, you might get alot more!:eek:

    Think I will keep my current route with a valid RA school right here in the good ole USA.

    Just some thoughts

    "Support our Troops"

    Veteran 101 out
     
  20. Mike Albrecht

    Mike Albrecht New Member

    I would imagine that if you had a SRU degree at any level it would be acceptable. Even a doctorate from SRU.

    But from St. Regis does raise some questions. Not doubting you, but the sudden 180 degree swing after a move to a country deep in war does raise some eyebrows.
     

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