California Coast University announces DETC accreditation application.

Randell: At some point myself will be teaching, several years ago I went down the California State Approved route, I did this for me, and was the only option at the time for me. Now we have many options that we did not have in the past. The experince that I gained, gave me the opportunity to understand the way education is in the US, and prepared me for future goals, which I will be persuing.


Vini

 

Now for the big question....

I paid $2,200 for mine (BS/MBA). What did you pay?

 

The program costed $4,500 when I signed up in 2000. It cost me about $1,250 out of pocket, the rest was covered by tuition assistance. My company has a 6 credit per semester limit and I went too fast.

I did use my CCU knowledge to help me pass the 15 CLEP/DANTES/ECE exams in 7 weeks that I needed for my COSC BS. That is a great value in itself.

 

UNLESS their needs change in the future just like your's did. Then CCU or any other non-RA degree is a very bad choice. Bottom line non-RA choices limit your future and are just plain bad planning.

 

Rich: Thx for the careful & precise posts. Temperate, too.

 

There is solid evidence that state-approved schools are accepted widely by employers. But not universally. And less so when they understand the difference between state-approval and accreditation. And there is clear evidence that such degrees are not at all acceptable to accredited colleges and universities.

It is one thing to accept that a degree from an unaccredited school is valuable in one's current situation. But it is also clear that situations change--that a degree that is useful to day might well be not useful in the future. The best way to ensure future utilty is to earn a degree from a recognized institution. CCU is not one.

 

Question for the Research Pro

Rich:

What does your research indicate regarding US based, legally operating State Licensed/Registered Schools, like: Century, Chadwick, PWU- HI, Kennedy-Western, Hawthorne, Fairfax, Greenleaf. The schools are not officially endorsed, per say, by the states in which they operate, yet, they do meet the state’s licensing criteria which has been established by either a State Bureau or State Department of Education.

How do such schools stack-up from an Employers prospective?

Despite academia’s snobbery, just run a search, on google, you’ll find many in academia who list their state licensed degrees, on school websites no less, except maybe in Oregon.

By the way, I do not consider Berne, nor, St. Regis as operating under US State Licensure, as these schools seem to be operating form St. Kitts, or Liberia.

 

Hawthorne now claims candidate status with--yes!--ACI.

 

The CCU, the BPPVE and all Californian-Approved institutions.

Should their application be successful, it will be a fantastic triumph for the CCU, the BPPVE and all Californian-Approved institutions.


CFr

 

Re: Question for the Research Pro

Initially, state licensure stacked up with state approval; no significant difference. But once the participants were given explanations about both, they both dropped significantly, and state licensure dropped significantly more than state approval.

The results seem to indicate that employers are often okay with such recognition until they find out about it. Not exactly a stellar basis for promoting your credential. The "time bomb" metaphor seems in full force.

 

Rich: " The "time bomb" metaphor seems in full force"

Cehi: You are correct. Thank you Rich.

 

Re: Re: Question for the Research Pro

Rich,

Do you plan to present any papers or give talks about your research findings? If so, please keep us posted. I've love to come and hear you.

Thanks.

Roscoe

 

Re: Re: Re: Question for the Research Pro

I'm hoping some chapters of the Society of Human Resource Management will be interested in receiving a presentation. Also, I want their feedback on how to address this issue.

I'm also exploring other avenues to put this information to work.

 

Re: Re: Question for the Research Pro

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Often researchers slight -- consciously or unconsciously -- their presentations so as to ensure the desired results. How was state approval explainded???

Were the employers advised that some states take a very active role in the approval process, like California? So much so that graduates of unaccredited institutions are permitted to sit for some professional licenses.

 

Re: Re: Re: Question for the Research Pro

Yes. That's why state approval faired significantly better than state licensure after definitions were provided.

Thanks for assuming I introduced bias into the survey. Of course, being a student at an unaccredited school would have no bearing on this, right?

 

Re: Re: Re: Re: Question for the Research Pro

Rich, unlike every other human, has no biases.

 

Let's just bitch about CCU....

...and not about each other, Ok?
Too many good points are made in this forum for it to turn ugly.

 

Re: Let's just bitch about CCU....

Ain't goona turn ugly.

I was merely using irony to make the point that Rich has a few biases, which he freely admits and employs often.

 

I don't understand what distinction is being made when 'state-approved' is differentiated from 'state-licensed'. Is a distinction being drawn between those states that enforce some halfway credible standards, and those states whose systems are virtually a rubber-stamp?

 

That's the assumption I make. Wyoming sells licenses with minimal restrictions. California has a degree of oversight on academic programs, although my guess is that it may not be as much as people believe.

Apparently California Approved used to be more meaningful under previous legislation.

California Approval must mean something as dozens of schools that could not meet the standards bailed out to friendlier climes. Kennedy-Western is now licensed in Wyoming.