ENEB/University Isabel I vs Czech Polish Continuing education

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  1. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    I am wondering what other people think here. I would say that the ENEB route is a better choice due to cost and also the Isabela I diploma and verification system. There seems to be more understanding of the Proprio system from Spain than the status of the continuing education degrees from the Czech entities. Though neither may get you into a doctoral program. Certainly the cost is less. Someone posted the ENEB path requires a fair amount of writing.

    If you were recommending a route for someone which route would you suggest.
     
  2. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

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    Garp Well-Known Member

  4. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    Odd that like the University of Central Nicuragua (International), Neurolinguistic Programming seems to be a thing. Bander and Grinder would be happy it caught on somewhere in higher education.
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  5. Michigan68

    Michigan68 Active Member

    I might have missed this in the past . . . but in EU terms . . . . What is the difference between a MBA or Master and a Postgraduate Degree?
     
  6. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    Confused me. They call them both degrees but clearly offer degrees with Masters in the title and Postgraduate Degrees (list them separately).
     
  7. Michigan68

    Michigan68 Active Member

    Yes, I would list them separately, but if the employer asked me what the difference is, I would like to explain it back to them.
     
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  8. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    I would do the degree with Masters in the name. Perhaps the "Postgraduate degree" is shorter and just issues a diploma that says "Post Graduate Degree in X". Sounds a little more like a continuing ed diploma. Good question though.
     
  9. AsianStew

    AsianStew Moderator Staff Member

    MBA = Masters, Business Admin - Generally 60 ECTS or 30 credits
    Masters = Same as MBA but in a different subject area, also same number of ECTS/credits
    Postgraduate = Generally half or less of the Masters, should be equivalent to a certificate as most are 12-15 ECTS
     
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  10. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    Good information (solves the mystery).
     
  11. kobusr

    kobusr New Member

    Outside of the US a postgraduate diploma is on the same level as a masters degree, they are a bit shorter and you do not have to write a dissertation. Just need to make sure it is a postgraduate diploma and not a postgraduate certificate.
     
  12. Messdiener

    Messdiener Active Member

    What do you mean by "on the same level"? If you mean that both are postgraduate awards, then that would be accurate.

    But seeing that you specifically mention that they aren't at the same level as a postgraduate certificate, I'll assume you mean that they are equivalent.

    In many of the Commonwealth nations, the postgraduate diploma is actually a level below the master's degree, for the reasons you've already mentioned: shorter, lack of dissertation, etc.

    If there is another part of the world in which the PGD and a Master's are literally equivalent, I'd be curious to learn more.
     
  13. kobusr

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  14. kobusr

    kobusr New Member

    As someone that is not a resident of the US or Spain, and never intends to stay there, would you say it is better to do a degree through the University of the People or ENEB?
     
  15. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Depends on how the authorities in your home country view the degrees. I suggest you ask them.
     
  16. Courcelles

    Courcelles Active Member

    Then there’s the “does UoP make RA by the time you graduate?” angle. Because if they do, it absolutely tilts how well that degree travels.
     
  17. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Of course. :)
     
  18. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Sure it does. But it's sometimes tough to get a firm answer from authorities on a "what might happen if..." question. And in some places and circumstances, your American degree may face additional issues, even if it is RA. For example, a University of the People MBA would not be acceptable in Germany, even with Regional Accreditation. There, it's "AACSB or the Autobahn" for American MBAs. Other countries - maybe other hurdles.

    "Waiting for Accreditation" is sometimes like Samuel Beckett's "Waiting for Godot." Godot never came. Neither does accreditation, sometimes. Accreditation was about a six-year wait at Nations U., from time of first application to success. Students reported delaying their programs until they absolutely HAD to finish, without accreditation - or quit or time out of their program, which some did. Of course, six years is exceptionally long -- but it can happen.

    I still say the best thing @kobusr can do is -- ask local authorities about their acceptance (or not) of the two schools. .
     
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  19. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Well-Known Member

    Based on the degreeforum.net ENEB Master thread, there have been atleast two members that got accepted into VUL’s. Doctor of Healthcare Administration with ENEB degrees. Liberty University has also accepted atleast one student with an ENEB degree. If the requirement to enter a Doctorate is a Masters or equivalent, many schools will accept students with an ENEB degree and deem it equivalent regardless of what a NACES evaluation says. Many would agree that IEE’s assessment of the Masters Propio as a 30 credit hour graduate certificate is a Masters equivalent.
     
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  20. kobusr

    kobusr New Member

    Thank you @Johann for your reply. In my country (South Africa) SAQA ( which is the authority that evaluates foreign degrees) do recognise degrees from universities whether it is National (DEAC) or Regional accredited as long as it is recognised by the US Department of Education. It is still a mystery to me however why the US just doesn't have one accreditation body like we have in South Africa.

    There are a lot of clever people involved in the University of the People so it is difficult to see how they will not be successful in obtaining RA status.
     
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