Moldova - the new anti-Russia?

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  1. Charles Fout

    Charles Fout Active Member

  2. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Please. After a year, they can't even manage the Donbas.

    But yes, Moldova is another European country, along with Ukraine and Georgia, where Russia has de facto taken over part of their territory; in Moldova's case it's the so-called Republic of Transnistria.
     
  3. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I read the comments, on the referenced site. Some hard-core nutjobs and haters there... If they like the site -- I don't.
     
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  4. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    It's RT, one of the Kremlin's official emitters of dezinformatsiya.
     
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  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Then it all figures.... thanks, Steve.
     
  6. Charles Fout

    Charles Fout Active Member

    Not exactly. RT is actually more akin to the modern BBC. The source is neither here nor there. What I wonder is - if Moldova, another Peace Corps Country, is actually the new anti-Russia? And Will we see more armed conflict in Europe?
     
  7. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    It's impossible to take that comparison seriously. If you truly believe that RT has any editorial independence at all, you are far more imaginative than I.

    Strongly disagree. Credibility matters, and RT doesn't have any.

    That's up to Putin. But it's pretty clear that he's already bitten off more than he can chew, so let's hope not.
     
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  8. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Russia Today is the worst of the worst. It has the lowest possible accuracy rating on MediaBiasFactCheck.com. It is worthless drivel from the Russia department of disinformation. HORRIBLE!

    This is not the first time that Charles has pushed RT in this forum. It's very sad to suggest OANN or Newsmax instead but Charles would have concepts closer to reality if he used them instead.
     
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  9. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Oh yes. RT is not an information source at all; it's a propaganda arm of russia's khuylo regime; any message it tries to push (whether it happens to reflect reality or not) is there to further regime's goals. And the regime, as stated openly in khyylo's Munich speech, sees itself at war with the West and seeks to do it (us) harm. Consuming, and even worse, reposting their messaging is literally helping the enemy.

    This thread is the perfect example. There is no such thing as "anti-Russia", that's a phantom concept cooked up by the Mordor. Among other things, it implies that Moldova has no agency at all and is not a real nation, but is merely used by "the West" to harm russia. Merely discussing this question makes people implicitly agree that "anti-Russia" is a real thing, along with the poisonous soup of assumptions that go into the concept. Don't do it, kids.
     
  10. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    One other important point that I should mention. Charles assertion that the horrible RT is the same as BBC is unbelievably ridiculous. Just about as wrong as wrong can be. BBC is one of the best news sources out there. BBC is rated High accuracy by MediaBiasFactCheck and about as close to Least Bias as you're likely to see. BBC is much better compared to the gold standard, Reuters, than the horrible RT.

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/bbc/
    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/rt-news/
    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/reuters/
     
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  11. Charles Fout

    Charles Fout Active Member

    Just wow! Again I say - The source is neither here nor there. What I wonder is - if Moldova, another Peace Corps Country, is actually the new anti-Russia. And Will we see more armed conflict in Europe?

    Again, I reject all forms of thought police, including MediaBiasFactCheck.com. I will continue to read whatever I chose to read. I, myself, will discern the validity and value of what I've read.
    Let's review this post:

    1. I posted an article from RT. The article states - the Russian Federation Foreign Minister warns Moldova has become a "new anti-Russia." An interesting topic of conversation, I think.

    2. Johann remarked - "I read the comments, on the referenced site. Some hard-core nutjobs and haters there... If they like the site -- I don't."

    3. To which Steve Foerster responded - "It's RT, one of the Kremlin's official emitters of dezinformatsiya." without citation.

    4. I disagree. I stated and I repeat - RT is actually more akin to the modern BBC.

    5. Bill Huffman entered the conversation and accused yours truly of pushing RT on this forum.

    I respond.
    1. This is an interesting topic, regardless of whatever news source informed us of it.

    2. All types of people, good, bad, ugly, etc. will publicly respond to articles and news stories wherever they are published.

    3. I maintain that RT is more like the modern BBC than an official emitter of the Russian Federation.

    4. By providing a link to a news article published in RT, I did not "push" RT." From time immemorial, scholars have read and discussed matters widely accepted and considered to be not correct. As a Born Free American, I believe we should all be free to read and discuss whatever we choose.

    In conclusion, any attempt to "thought police," via "MediaBiasFactCheck.com." or any other manufactured arbiter is absolutely dystopian and totalitarian.
    I do not know the answer but the discussion question is actually - Is Moldova the new anti-Russia? And Will we see more armed conflict in Europe?
     
  12. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Your "thought police" assertion makes no sense. You obviously don't care about accuracy of the news sources that you use. You'd apparently just rather use factually challenged untrustworthy news sources and have beliefs that are possibly divorced from reality. For example: The whole theme of the article that you linked to is nonsense as explained by Stanislav.

    Here's a small sampling of MediaBiasFactCheck info on RT.

    quote:
    • Overall, we rate RT Questionable based on promoting pro-Russian propaganda, conspiracy theories, numerous failed fact checks, and a lack of author transparency.
    Another concerning aspect of RT is they do not list author information for articles published on the website. This presents a lack of transparency that makes it difficult to verify the information.

    Failed Fact Checks
    Overall, we rate RT Questionable based on promoting pro-Russian propaganda, conspiracy theories, numerous failed fact checks, and a lack of author transparency. (5/18/2016) Updated (D. Van Zandt 09/17/2022)
     
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  13. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    This is a discussion board primarily focused on higher education. A fundamental aspect of creating and advancing new knowledge is to consider one's sources of information. So, no.
     
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  14. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Well, if your goal is to have your discernment accurate, you are not succeeding. There are two schools of thought about what to do about it. You can try to work on practicing critical thinking and common sense. Alternatively, as discernment is one of the classic gifts of Holy Spirit, you can try to gain it through prayer and acts of faith. So, maybe try one of these.

    Did you read 1984? Know what Newspeak is? Basically, Newspeak is a constructed language, the main feature of which is it's impossible to express thought that the Party disapproves of. Eventually a Newspeak speaker becomes unable to FORM a thought that the Party disapproves of. If you do not trust fiction and believe that the concept is unrealistic, I suggest you try reading "The language of the Third Reich" by Victor Klemperer.
    "antiRussia" is a Newspeak world. Discussing it as a serious topic is to immerse oneself in the system of assumptions and notions Kremlin wants you to accept. If you don't see it, it may have already happened to you.
    If you want to learn about Moldova, know that this is a country held back by immersive russian influence, advanced both through direct military force (Transnistria is the earliest modern model of russia-backed fake states; separatist phantoms in eastern Ukraine are directly modeled after it) and through their typical corrupting dirty tricks. This country finally tries to get out of this influence, and for this reason Mordor's disinformation machine targets it by quite transparent IPSO (informatsionno-propagandistskie spetsial'nye operatsii, "information - propaganda special operations"). One of which you are now trying to advance.

    That's literally the first lie they want you to accept. Justy like Lavrov is an IPSO operator posing as a "foreign minister", RT is an IPSO outlet that tries to convince people it's a news source. As you can see, it works.
     
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  15. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Your 1984 analogy is perfect! What I find most ironic about this is exactly what you describe. RT has brainwashed Charles into believing the RT thought police so whole heartedly that anyone questioning the accuracy of RT News, Charles accuses of being the thought police! It is a perfect example of 1984 Newspeak!
     
  16. Charles Fout

    Charles Fout Active Member

    Laughable. I am not the one insisting on approval of Media Bias Fact Check. I will, as a Born Free American, continue to read whatever I choose. I will rely on my own discernment. I am not bound by any manufactured arbiters of truth.
     
  17. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    RT is more like Minitruth that Thought Police. Thought police is Sledkom and Roskomnadzor.
     
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  18. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    When you say "Born Free American", is it another little Newspeak expression, perhaps aimed at an audience I'm not part of? Genuine question. Also, what do you imply when you use "Peace Corps Country", capitalized like so? Another dog whistle?

    It seems to me that you disapprove of an American government program (Peace Corps), while promoting and whitewashing russian government program (RT). And russia (North Mordor) is an open enemy of these United States of America (reference: khuylo's Munich speech, as well as pretty much totality of official and semiofficial statements by various russian officials and entities). That's a curious behavior for someone who is an American patriot.
     
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  19. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Moldova's suppression by the Soviets was a more recent thing, but it did become an SSR after the USSR forced Romania to give it up. You just KNOW Putin hates to see it a free country.
     
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  20. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    There's a lot of that going on these days since Putin's asset became president.
     

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