DeSantis Used Voter Registration to Defeat Democrats

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  1. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    A new leader for former GOP, now Party of Crooks and Thieves.

    Florida GOP Governor Ron DeSantis Used Voter Registration to Defeat Democrats (bloomberg.com)

    I used to think the anti-democratic vibe of the "GOP" is something new. But actually, everything they stand for boils down to taking the power away from democratic control, including conservative mainstays of low taxes and "deregulation". Think of "starve the beast" strategy and what it REALLY means. They are just realizing their true nature, inspired by more successful neo-Fascists Orban and putin.
     
  2. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Florida is no longer a swing state, it appears to me. The article you link to points to two reasons for this. First over the past two years Republicans spent almost $50 million registering Republican voters. Second and probably more important, there has been a large number of people that have moved to Florida over the past few years. It appears that a good majority of those new residents are Republican. There is really nothing anti-democratic about this that I see?
     
  3. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I think the older people who are more likely to vote Republican moved to Florida and provided the edge.
    But also people vote on issues.
    As I mentioned in another post, young generation is more liberal and progressive and they appear to over-vote the older generation.
    So what worked in FL may not work nationwide.
     
  4. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    This aspect of his operation, I'd say more effective and competent than anti-democratic. Considering his other actions, it makes Ron DeSanctimonious more scary. Florida Democrats need to step up their game.
     
  5. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Ohio has long been lost as a swing state, and I think Florida is now lost. But, Georgia is now a swing state, and Arizona appears to have done almost a complete 180.
     
  6. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    North Carolina also seems to be moving into the swing state category.

    In the last election, the youngsters seemed to vote overwhelmingly for Democrats. That does not bode well for future Republicans as us old farts pass away. :p Of course, many turn more conservative as they get older as has been pointed out by Lerner in another thread. ;)
     
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  7. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    The yung people of today will be the old people of tomorrow and I estimate many will replace the BB generation and vote for conservative candidates.
     
  8. Michael Burgos

    Michael Burgos Active Member

    Fascism is a left-wing political ideology owing to its maximization of state control. The longstanding canard that fascism is a "far right" viewpoint is misguided and incoherent.
     
  9. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    From my point of view, the Jedi are evil.
     
  10. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Perhaps the world is misguided and incoherent but here's a typical definition of fascism.

    "Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race ..."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#:~:text=Fascism%20is%20a%20far%2Dright,of%20the%20nation%20and%20race
     
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  11. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Come to think of it, looks like a description of Donald Trump's philosophy for his presidency? :D

    Well except the last thing, Donald perceives his own personal interests as paramount.
     
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  12. ArielB

    ArielB Member

    Wrong.
    Nazis were fascist - right?
    Who were the Nazis opposed to before they came in to power? Communists. They were the opposite of Communists.
     
  13. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Excellent point, fascist and communist are both bad extremes. The right has fascist on their end of the spectrum and the left has communist on their end of the spectrum. Leaning left or leaning right doesn't mean folks more in the center have to embrace the extremes on their own end.
     
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  14. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

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  15. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    What I love about the horseshoe theory is that it explains the fact that Hitler considered communism so foreign, disgusting and horrible. Whereas most of the rest of us consider fascism and communism more like two peas in a pod. This turned out to be most wonderful for the rest of the world though. Otherwise Hitler might not have opened up the eastern front. In which case he might not have lost WWII. It for sure would have made the war extremely more difficult to win.
     
  16. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    We are indeed fortunate that Hitler and Stalin were enemies. However, considering that the USSR and PRC became rivals even though they were supposedly on the same corner of the ideological map, perhaps a better explanation is that those sorts of people simply cannot abide being less than Alpha Hyena.
     
  17. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Both Communism and Fascism are totalitarian ideologies that are the opposite attacks on the same thing (a liberal democracy). Rooted in, respectively, a fake vision of the future and an equally fake vision of the past. Not much in common in the premise, but some pretty much identical practices.

    Anyway, here is the list of traits of Ur-Fascism according to Umberto Eco:

    1. The cult of tradition.
    2. The rejection of modernism.
    3. The cult of action for action’s sake.
    4. Disagreement is treason.
    5. Fear of difference.
    6. Appeal to social frustration.
    7. The obsession with a plot.
    8. The enemy is both weak and strong.
    9. Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy.
    10. Contempt for the weak.
    11. Everybody is educated to become a hero.
    12. Machismo and Weaponry.
    13. Selective Populism.
    14. Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak.
    MAGA movement gives out at least vibes in all 14. So is Orbanism and putinism, two international movements GOPniks seem fond of.
     
  18. Michael Burgos

    Michael Burgos Active Member

    It's helpful. However, this one is helpful too, if not a bit rudimentary:
     

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  19. Michael Burgos

    Michael Burgos Active Member

    What is the left-right dichotomy referring to?
     
  20. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I suppose I can understand why a spectrum that is so much more forgiving of government intervention in social matters than intervention in economics matters would appeal to conservatives who would prefer to think of themselves as more pro-freedom than those on the center-left.
     
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