Over 2M Migrants

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  1. AsianStew

    AsianStew Moderator Staff Member

  2. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    This can be seen as a problem or opportunity. Canada is facing serious problems of labour. A possible solution would be to send some Canadian officials to assess these people and get the ones that can take jobs such as construction. The main challenge is that many of these people might have no skills. I believe that people that are willing to learn and work, can find opportunities. There are many places in the world that face labour challenges, the problem is that we need mediators to help these people to immigate to places where they are needed. It is obvious to me that the US is overpopulated and does not need more immigrants or at least not the type that are waiting in the border.
     
  3. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    400,000 people emigrated to Canada last year alone. That's just over 1% of their entire population. The equivalent number in the U.S. would be about four million people.

    So I basically see a heck of a lot more opportunity (for newcomers and old timers alike) than I do problem.
     
  4. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Some provinces in the north of Canada are starving for people. This requires flexibility. Of course, everyone wants to live in sunny California with a good infrastructure but sometimes we need to take opportunities where they exist. Many of these people might need some guidance.

    Some collaboration is needed to guide these people and send them to the places where they are needed. It is quite obvious that the Califonia is already overpopulated so maybe people just need to be more conscious of this and look for opportunities where they exist.
     
  5. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    We need them.
     
  6. TEKMAN

    TEKMAN Semper Fi!

    Canada is only seeking quality immigrants, not unskill workers. They don't want unskill immigrants to suck their social programs.
     
  7. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I dunno. doesn't look like it. with COVID, I see an awful lot of security guards around - malls etc, checking vaccination papers, asking people re symptoms, travel etc. Almost 100% immigrants for this minimum-wage job. I've seen it before. Immigrants settle in poorer areas - 10 eyars later they've got the best houses in the subdivisions!

    Who does? But some immigrant groups are less likely to wind up on the dole that than multi-generation Canadians. We've had a lot of Syrian refugees come lately. They're pretty well ALL hard-working, have jobs or make them with their own businesses -they came as refugees from war, not because they had no money. They mostly did - and they still do. Money was no problem. Getting one's house blown up - a whole different thing!

    Yes - skills have something to do with work prospects. But work ethic is not defined by skills. A lot of immigrants are flexible (and have to be) in what job they'll take to get started. They usually advance pretty quickly as they go along. Our system is FAR from perfect - but it's nothing like the US. E.g. we've admitted a far greater proportion of Syrians (per population) than US. And our Provincial leaders don't start court cases to block them all, like some of your (US) State Governors.

    And no Prime Minister ever proposed aUS- style " total ban on Muslim immigration," either. That was horrific to see and would NOT fly here. Don't slag us for discrimination, TEKMAN! We don't deserve it.
    Clean up your OWN backyard.

    I've seen it time and time again - immigrants come and live in the poorer, cheap areas. They work and save like hell and 10 years later they have the nicest houses in the subdivision. The next wave of immigrants (different country) comes, re-fills the poor places and 10 years later - or less - same thing.




     
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  8. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Furthermore, most of the discrimination against immigrants in this country comes not from the Government but from from ignorant, long-term Canadians, usually either economically deprived or plain wasters - who rail on about immigrants with good skills and education "taking over" the good jobs and "leaving nothing for Canadians." I certainly don't hear this from our Government. I'd say we take our share of immigrants - yes, we need them; the system isn't perfect but it's better than many countries.

    And about those unwilling to relocate to freezing Kapuskasing or Povugnituk? I don't blame them - I wouldn't either, except out of desperation. Most people wouldn't --- unless it was made worth their while. If such places need an influx, there would have to be rewards - I don't know how else it would work.
     
  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Very interesting. A pointed, thought-out bigotry with such precision. In the US, our bigotry has people just jumping from immigration to job-stealing, but we don't fret about educated and skilled undocumented workers. Probably because we have a lot of unskilled and uneducated people.

    But they're wrong. (Here in the US.) There is no significant job loss to immigration--documented or illegal. About 85% of our job loss is due to automation, with about 15% due to trade and off-shoring. But the chances of some illegal immigrant causing a resident or citizen to be unemployed is pretty small. (And if your job can be taken by some guy who walked, ran, and swam here, who has no education, who doesn't speak the language, and has no documentation, then I think you need to go to night school. Or something.)
     
  10. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    By and large, people come to work, not loaf. Get out of their way and they'll end up where they're needed.

    And California isn't overpopulated; it's poorly managed, especially when it comes to housing policy.

    But again, let people go where they want and those sorts of problems will solve themselves... one way or another: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/u-haul-california/
     
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  11. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I don't normally advocate a laissez-faire approach to a governmental issue, but I whole-heartedly agree with this. The resistance to undocumented immigrants has very little to do with any impact on jobs or the economy. It's based in something far more evil.
     
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  12. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Skilled does not mean that they need to hold a degree. Fast food industry needs tons of people same for construction. I am sure among all these people, there are construction workers, fast food service workers, nannies, etc.
    In few words, if you have two hands, willing to learn the language and willing to work hard, there is a room for you in the world. Most of these people are just confused and need guidance. They just think the US is the only solution to their problems, they just need to move to the right place and learn the language.
    I live in Canada and finding cleaning help and baby sitters is very hard. Nobody wants to work as a childcare giver, elderly care giver, etc. In an advanced society, most of the population wants an office job 9 to 5 job that just requires to answer the phone and send emails that pays 50K plus with benefits and unions. Nobody wants a freelance job, working evenings and weekends and with lower wages.
     
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  13. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I agree with just about everything here. I've seen it -- and that's the way it works. One thing - I can think of three of the more recent immigrant waves that seem, in quite large numbers, to be very entrepreneurial and adept at establishing their own businesses: Central / South Americans, Vietnamese and lately - Syrians. There are fair number of self-employed in a couple of other groups, but those are pretty much confined to owning small retail stores. Among those two groups, not much in services or sell-what-you-make. But they do OK. Their kids largely go to Uni, for one reason: to become professionals. N-O-T-H-I-N-G else will do.

    And there's always 'payback.' I've seen a practising pharmacist who still, years after graduation, took the odd shift in his parents' convenience store, where the money for his education had come from. Way better than endless student loan payments, I guess.
     
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  14. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    I remember Harper's "Canadian values" and "abusing Canadian generosity" dog whistles, as well as the witch hunt Kenney started in Immigration&Citizenship uncovering "fraud". I was one of the troves of people sent "Residency Questionnaire" and had my naturalization delayed by 18 months. I would never vote Conservative because of that.

    But, as much as it pains me to endorse Canadian smugness - you are right. Even Harper never came close to "total Muslim ban" and xenophobic bullhorns that are quickly becoming mandatory for GOPniks States-side. The very same Kenney earned his "Minister of curry in a hurry" nickname for his ceaseless pandering to ethnic communities, even while he was fanning the "abusers of Canadian generosity" moral panic. Also, that whole thing (which was just a fain scent of nativism, not even MAGA, let alone open anti-immigration sentiment) did not work at the ballot box. SOME credit is certainly due to the Canadian public.
     
  15. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I agree, the main issue here is that people want just to enter the new country without respecting immigration laws. Again, lack of awareness that a country needs regulations to avoid chaos. Many of these fellows might have criminal records, wrong work attitudes, etc. They need to be screened so people do not become a treath or financial burden to the citizens of the welcoming country. And this stands for every country, if I want to move to Costa Rica, I need to supply police records, financial statements, etc. Costa Rica is not going to make me a citizen just because i show up at the border.
     
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  16. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Do you know how immigration law works in US? Most of these people just don't fall into one of the categories and do not have option to enter "legally" (except... come to the border and ask for asylum. Granted, most of asylum seekers will be denied, and many will stay anyway - but at the border, they didn't break any laws yet). Immigration avenues for low-skill occupations are dysfunctional to the point of being unusable.
     
  17. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Predictable immigration system and universal healthcare coverage are two things Canada clearly does better; I'd argue these are the ONLY two things. I would note, though, that the actual Canadian system preferences independent economic class migrants over family classes. It tries to select immigrants for the ability to support themselves. The general effect is not that far from a "merit-based" system some GOP-stoppers CLAIM they want - just not intentionally broken.
     
  18. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    All true. In the case of Costa Rica, I think immigration policy is at least partly due to the nature of its strong relationship with U.S. Cynics say Costa Rica is "run by the CIA" - but that's B.S.... I think. Good article on the relationship here. Here's what The U.S. State Dept. says about it:

    https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-costa-rica/

    Yes - I think Costa Rica has a fair immigrant policy. On the downside, it's still a major transport point for drugs coming out of South America. That's a problem - everybody's working on it, so I read. But it's not, for the most part, an immigration matter.
     
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  19. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Yes, I am very aware. The point is that if I want to immigrate, the US is not going to be the easiest path. People need to do their research and go to the places where they are needed and not just pack their bags and go to Tijuana with tons of risks and dangers. If a person is a bit smarter, he or she would take a boat and go to New Zealand or other place with less headaches or if they have no money, go to a place with higher rates to refugee acceptance.
     
  20. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Just a thought: a lot of these people MIGHT come from places with no high-speed Internet service, and overall, not in a position to know these things. Perhaps Canada should revive practice of using paid agents abroad to attract immigrants. Like how early Ukrainian settlement owes a lot to Ivan Eleniak.
     

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