So we are no longer in Afganistan.

Look, friends, the U.S. failed but not militarily. Neither Trump nor Biden is at fault for the inevitable outcome of Bush II's adventureism. The Afghanis themselves have chosen. That's all. Time to move on.

 

Somehow I think and I can be wrong that calls for impeachment and even court-martial will only be increased. Even allies in UK express such views.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/former-uk-commander-in-afghanistan-says-biden-shouldnt-be-impeached-he-should-be-court-martialed

 

To me is he right or wrong is more of interesting then is he right or left.
I understand your valid comment.

 

I can tell you don't understand the mindset of the Taliban and ISIS. You might think you do. If you don't think (even for a moment) that Biden's weakness on the world stage isn't in the forefront of their minds, your extremely disconnected from the reality of this situation. They are tribal, and violence is fostered from youth and they ONLY understand weakness and strength. I'm sorry Rich, but you cannot allow your bias to overrule your common sense on this one.

 

What infuriates me is that Biden invited the Taliban to Camp David over 9/11. And then he negotiated with the Taliban, arranging to release 5,000 of their terrorists .Remember that? Or that he negotiated a deal that set a date for America's unilateral withdrawal from Afghanistan, only to have the Afghan army and police force collapse in 11 days while Kabul was taken without a shot.

The fact that he failed to make a disaster less disastrous doesn't even compare to all those earlier things he did. And did I mention his decision to invade Afghanistan in the first place? Oh, that Joe!

 

Wasn't Bagram air base 400 miles from West of China and 500m from East of Iran?
The location was strategic. But the cost was to high.

American solders and citizens coming back home from such a long war in my opinion is a good thing.
Maybe this could have been done better. Seems like Taliban is allowing people to leave.
Politics will play out, heavy criticism is applied.

 

Russian news speculate that chances are a civil war is about to continue in Afghanistan. I mistrust Russian media so don't know how truthful this is.
The US trained soldiers of the Afghanistan armed forces have gone back home and joined the militia of their own tribe! Maybe a fight is about to start.
Amrullah Saleh is gathering his troops. He may enjoy support from other nations.
If I'm not mistaken Taliban raped, tortured and murdered his sister.

 

You're very judgmental of other posters. Or, perhaps it is just me. Either way, I have no interest in engaging you on this. Thank you for your opinion.

 

Well, what would you have the U.S. do? Both former President Trump and current President Biden realized that we couldn't keep troops in Afghanistan indefinitely. The Afghani "government " had all of the training and funding and equipping it could possibly use to maintain itself. It vanished into the thinnest of air. Would another twenty years have changed things? Maybe. Maybe not. Afghanistan must be responsible for its own future whether we find that future to our taste or not.

 

Hence a better use of forum time would be to discuss the photo prop burros of our youth.

As opposed to turbo prop burros?

 

Yes, I remember that. At that point Biden showed how horribly weak and inept the United States of America can be. He also helped get the Taliban leader out of prison, don't forget that! You probably didn't know this but take my word on it, the Taliban only understands strength and weakness. Biden showed great weakness and elevated the Taliban to great strength when he did these things.

 

My opinions are a byproduct of my education, training, but more importantly my experience with these people. I've spent a considerable amount of time around these folks in the Middle East. You have your opinions on this topic, and I have mine. I am extremely direct if its an issue I feel strongly about, for better or worse. Don't take anything personal, as I do not. We just simply have opposing opinions on this particular issue, and that is okay.

 

No, you move from stating opinions to judging others, as you did in your post. Thank you for your opinions. And your judgments.

 

https://theweek.com/joe-biden/1004072/cia-director-reportedly-holds-secret-meeting-with-taliban-leader-abdul-ghani

"William Burns, the director of the CIA, secretly met with Taliban leader Abdul Ghani Baradar in Kabul on Monday, The Washington Post and NBC News report.

The meeting reportedly took place as the Aug. 31 deadline for the United States to complete its ongoing evacuation efforts in Afghanistan approaches, and the Post writes that while the CIA declined to comment on the meeting, it "likely involved" this impending deadline. "

 

We may not be leaving after all. The Taliban disclaim any responsibility for the bombing but I can imagine the Administration deciding that the Taliban are protecting ISIS. Such a STUPID, STUPID move!

 

We're leaving in terms of ground troops. But I would expect a few air-to-ground missiles to go flying sometime soon.

 

Number of scenarios possible.
ISIS in Afganistan performed the terror act without coordinating with the Taliban. ISIS is stricter in their Shariah law and Islamic interpretation then Taliban.

Or just like in Gaza when Islamic Jihad claims attack on Israel and Hamas kinda closes their eyes because politically they need Qatari money
so they can't directly perform such acts, but secretly they are
allowing the other rival group to perform the acts.

In Afghanistan the tribal rivals may intensify conflict and Taliban knowing they are now running the country having other obligations, but the rival tribes and groups like ISIS or Al-Qaeda etc
may try to hurt the agreements Taliban and US made, they may even be interested in US and Taliban fighting.

 

Y’all act like you could have foreseen world empires struggling in Afghanistan!

Sigh… while this may have been inevitable without a continued occupation of a modest support contingency… it’s a shame what is occurring, at least to me.

While I think I both understand and disagree with Biden’s actions, the amount of suffering and loss of trust, will be immense.

It’s also hard for me to view how the Democrats as a party, cannot but obligate themselves to do the very things which can once again give rise to a voice like Trump.

 

Please share with us how Biden could have made any of this substantially better.