Trump is the Perfect Sore Loser

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  1. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    For me this is not about comparing administration but about how the left manipulates public opinion and is trying to program in favor of the Democrats vs deprogramming the minds of 75 millions voters/supporters of conservatives.

    On the one hand, we’re told to believe that the American people hated Trump, the American people wanted Trump gone.
    Never mind that 74 million, 75 million people voted for him.
    And that the unity agenda of President Joe Biden, everybody’s embracing that. And yet there weren’t many Americans there on the inauguration.
    They weren’t permitted. They weren’t allowed anywhere near this inauguration for unity.
    ‘This was a perfectly normal election, and now it’s time to come together as a united nation,’ like having your swearing-in behind 12-foot-high razor wire surrounded by 25,000 troops whose loyalty you doubt.
    We will see in this media how Covid will be less of an issue.
     
  2. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    My view on this is different.
    I think there’s no question that that was an image or an impression that Dems wanted to create.
    There was a reason why they had razor wire. There’s a reason why they had 25,000 National Guard troops.
    It appears this was all an attempt to make it look like the government of the United States is under siege because of the deranged Trump voters.
    Well Jan 6th was really bad as a few thousands out of 74 - 75 million of Trump supporters - means less then 0.007 % assaulted and rioted despite being called to the peaceful protest.
    Critics say there used to be a first amendment in America where you could say what you wanted to say(obviously not incite people to commit violent crimes),
    especially about politics. But now Dem's and the left media gonna hunt you down.
    Just the last four years, the left media have constantly got us to question the election, the legitimacy of Trump being elected
    The impression last 4 years is Dem's essentially were telling the world that the American President is a Russian spy, presidential electoral system was corrupted and we couldn’t trust it,
    that the Russians found a way to come in and pick the presidential winner.
     
  3. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Lerner, the questionable sources that you love so much are not news sources. Things like the Frontpage Mag and Rush Limbaugh. They are not news yet you frequently incorrectly assert them to be news worthy. They are entertainment shows that touch on a political news theme, much like Saturday Night Live political skits. Much less trust worthy than CNN, MSNBC or Fox news. They are purely affirmation rather than information. From a previous article that I linked here, even CNN, MSNBC and Fox news are more about affirmation than information especially their prime time programming. The next tier down is way worse. The tier below that, the most untrustworthy level are things like RushLimbaugh.com. The only reason to listen to that kind of stuff is if you are trying to affirm the web of lies that has formed your cocoon and you want to make sure you're fully insulated from reality.

    Do some research on https://mediabiasfactcheck.com You are disgusted by the bias of CNN. That is fine. Now wrap your head around this. Fox is at least as biased as CNN only on the right! That other crap like RushLimbaugh.com and Frontpage Mag is way more biased than any of the cable news networks. Do some research on https://mediabiasfactcheck.com

    If you want the straight scoop on what is going on then go to the respected well known printed sources or CBS, ABC, or NBC.
     
  4. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    More lies that you heard from Trump then repeated by his parrots and your beloved right biased media. I thought at least this lie in the web of lies that you've been living with for the last four years had been dispensed with? But alas, you love to believe Trump's lies so much that you still hold on to it.


    First, that is not what Hannity and Republican Senator Josh Hawley said. What they said was very close to Yet the left for four years been telling that the 1. last election was fake and that 2. Donald Trump really wasn’t elected.
    Second, I haven't heard any reports on the left even saying what you claim NOW. That is that the Russians stole the 2016 election. You are once again putting false statements into the mouths of the left. You say this because of the web of lies spun by Donald Trump. I am not calling you a liar. I am saying that Donald Trump and his parrots like Hannity and Republican Senator Josh Hawley are telling a lie. You are just a firm believer in Trump lies. What the left actually says is summarized very well by an article in the New Yorker.

    It first describes the false scenario put forth by Trump in the opening paragraph.

    quote:
    Donald Trump has adopted many contradictory positions since taking office, but he has been unwavering on one point: that Russia played no role in putting him in the Oval Office. Trump dismisses the idea that Russian interference affected the outcome of the 2016 election, calling it a “made-up story,” “ridiculous,” and “a hoax.” He finds the subject so threatening to his legitimacy that—according to “The Perfect Weapon,” a recent book on cyber sabotage by David Sanger, of the Times—aides say he refuses even to discuss it. In public, Trump has characterized all efforts to investigate the foreign attacks on American democracy during the campaign as a “witch hunt”; in March, he insisted that “the Russians had no impact on our votes whatsoever.”

    Then the article explains what the left actually says instead of the lies above that you believe and the right falsely asserts.

    quote:
    Few people, including Trump’s opponents, have publicly challenged the widespread belief that no obtainable evidence can prove that Russian interference changed any votes. Democrats, for the most part, have avoided attributing Hillary Clinton’s defeat directly to Russian machinations. They have more readily blamed James Comey, the former F.B.I. director, for reversing Clinton’s thin lead in the final days of the campaign by reopening a criminal investigation into her mishandling of classified e-mails. Many have also expressed frustration with Clinton’s weak performance as a candidate, and with her campaign’s tactical errors. Instead of investigating whether Russia tipped the electoral scales on its own, they’ve focussed on the possibility that Trump colluded with Russia, and that this, along with other crimes, might be exposed by the probe being conducted by the special counsel, Robert Mueller.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/01/how-russia-helped-to-swing-the-election-for-trump

    The bottom line is that all evidence indicates that, contrary to Trump lies, Russia did interfere in the 2016 election to try to help Trump. That does not mean that Russia stole the election. It does not mean that Trump was not elected President. It does not even mean that Trump would have lost without Russia's help. The level of the impact that Russia had on the 2016 election is something that we will just never know. I believe that Comey's little announcement of reopening the investigation on the eve of the election probably had a much greater impact on the election than did the Russians, for example.

    Bill Huffman, Wednesday at 4:53 PM December 30 in thread Trump is the Perfect Sore Loser page 38
     
  5. SpoonyNix

    SpoonyNix Active Member

    Tick tick tick- 1458 days left....

    until Harris is out : )
     
  6. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Okay, that was funny. :D
     
  7. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Bill, the only issue here is that I heard these accusations and saw the actions from left media and Nancy, Hillary and others etc.
    Yes I heard it from the people who you mentioned as well but it took me 1 min to type it in YouTube search and here are some samples. BTW I agree with you about James Comey role.

    Pelosi: media was Russian 'accomplice' in 2016 (accomplice to what? Stealing the elections?)


    DNC sues Russia, Trump ‘co-conspirators’ over 2016 election meddling


    Hillary Clinton claims 2016 election was 'stolen' from her
     
  8. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Election meddling, Lerner. There were even Russian officers indicted for that as a result of the Mueller investigation. Indicted, I might add, by Trump's own DOJ.

    Fact: Hillary Rodham Clinton conceded to Trump, in a phone call, the night of elections. She delivered her concession speech the next morning. She somehow managed not to incite her supporters, in any on the Women's Marches, to take over any branches of government (let alone prepare to take members of Congress hostage, or worse - what's up with that?). Your whataboutism ignores, like, reality, man.

    P. S. it's funny how Trump supporter, even "moderate" one, can't NOT be a Putin apologist at the same time.
     
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  9. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    You keep spewing the same LIE about what the left says. You don't listen to left leaning news. I do. I pointed to an article (THREE OR FOUR times!)that proved this LIE false. Yet you persist.

    I had never seen the Clinton piece before. She didn't say the Russians did it. I didn't see her whole answer but I suspect she was more likely talking about the electoral college. Did you listen to rest of the clip? Someone says that President Trump would say the election was stolen from him in the far future 2020 election and then THEY LAUGHED HYSTERICALLY at such a ridiculous assertion. HAHAHAHAHAHA! Now I agree that the electoral college should best be changed and I agree with people claiming it is antiquated and undemocratic. But she was not really accusing Trump or the Russians of stealing the election from her.

    Listen Lerner, I'm not saying that the left has not been critical of the criminal traitor, Donald J. Trump. The left has many valid reasons to bad mouth him. There is no need to claim he didn't win the election in 2016. It is a stupid lie that YOU keep repeating over and over. For example, I maybe heard that accusation that Trump might be a Russian spie once if at all before you brought it up. On the other hand I've heard him called an unindicted co-conspirator or individual-1 dozens and dozens of times. Why did Trump push this stupid lie? Obviously because he wanted you to think how unfair he is treated. He wanted you to feel sorry for him to be amazed at how strong he is to stand up against such unfair hatred. Much better for you to think that than to know what the left is really saying about the unindicted co-conspirator individual-1, the traitor, the probable tax dodger.
     
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  10. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I know, but this is to show Bill that the claims by the left, democrats that election 2016 was stolen, i.e Trump stole the elections with Russians and all these was coming from Dems and left media no surprise Trump, Rush, and others remembered it and were vocal about it.
    Dem's calmed for 4 years that 2016 elections were stolen and illegitimate etc etc.
     
  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Bill its there for you to see and listen. How can you say I repeat lies when I provide the sources for this from Hillary, Nancy, etc
    Take a few moments and watch these clips.
     
  12. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    HAHAHAHAHA! Do you even read the stuff you write!!! The real problem is that you probably don't read what I write.

    The above is a stupid LIE.

    You keep repeating the same LIE about what the left says. You don't listen to left leaning news. I do. I pointed to an article (FOUR or FIVE times!)that proved this LIE false. Yet you persist. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/01/how-russia-helped-to-swing-the-election-for-trump

    I had never seen the Clinton piece before. She didn't say the Russians did it. I didn't see her whole answer but I suspect she was more likely talking about the electoral college. Did you listen to rest of the clip? Someone says that President Trump would say the election was stolen from him in the far future 2020 election and then THEY LAUGHED HYSTERICALLY at such a ridiculous assertion. HAHAHAHAHAHA! Now I agree that the electoral college should best be changed and I agree with people claiming it is antiquated and undemocratic. But she was not really accusing Trump or the Russians of stealing the election from her.

    Listen Lerner, I'm not saying that the left has not been critical of the criminal traitor, Donald J. Trump. The left has many valid reasons to bad mouth him. There is no need to claim he didn't win the election in 2016. It is a stupid lie that YOU keep repeating over and over. For example, I maybe heard that accusation that Trump might be a Russian spie once if at all before you brought it up. On the other hand I've heard him called an unindicted co-conspirator or individual-1 dozens and dozens of times. Why did Trump push this stupid lie? Obviously because he wanted you to think how unfair he is treated. He wanted you to feel sorry for him to be amazed at how strong he is to stand up against such unfair hatred. Much better for you to think that than to know what the left is really saying about the unindicted co-conspirator individual-1, the traitor, the probable tax dodger.
     
  13. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    OK, I think he pushed this because he was fighting for the 74 -75 million who voted for him,. I think he truly believed that something when wrong when counting stopped in the 4 states that night.
    And what he was fed by the legal team. He fought till the last day. The millions who voted for him knew they had a champion for the people in WH.
    You and the left argue the opposite, but I don't think he thinks this was a lies. on of it to Trump is a lie.


    Back to other stuff, it just occurred to me that possibly President Biden saved Harris.
    Asking me how?
    Harris will be leaving the state of CA moving to DC. So she maybe avoiding the big one.
    I hope the gig one never hits CA or any place. But maybe one less to worry about.
     
  14. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Outrage after National Guard troops unexpectedly forced out of the Capitol.

     
  15. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Trump got 74,223,744 votes. That is large number true but unfortunately for our former president President Biden got 81,283,485 votes. Our former traitorous President fought like hell to steal the election for himself not for the record number of people that voted for him. That is also what the general public seems to believe since his approval rating tanked at the end of his presidency to hit an all time low of only a 29% job approval rating for the traitor.
     
  16. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    There was no traitorous president, its left lies based on misinterpretation and distortion of the events that transpired. There was 0.007% of Trump supporters who attacked the capitol and delayed the proceedings, this is very unfortunate and wrong, but its what Dem supported mob is doing for long time in other cities, including Portland on President Biden's inauguration day.
    Trump fought for multiple reasons, for him self, for people who voted for him, for America, and a loss meant he will be gobbled up, devoured by the Dem's and the establishment so he still has to fight to survive.
    General public opinion is unfortunately still being programmed/influenced by the left media.
    But time will show how they will rate the new administration, will US be safer? Economy stronger? Eventually other factors will shape the public opinion.
    some areas will improve, some will suffer.
    I was always against family separations and I think in this area there will be significant improvement. I'm for clean energy push but also for keeping other industries and jobs.
    Still, Coal workers are in greater danger for job loss.
     
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  17. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Trump was a traitor to our country when he didn't concede the election back in December. He instead kept repeating the lie that he won the election in a landslide. He got you and millions of people to believe he won the election in a landslide. He tried to strongarm state officials to overturn the fair and free elections in their states. You believe otherwise because you believe all of his baseless lies. Trump is a traitor because he summoned this mob, assembled the mob, and lit the flame of this attack. Everything that followed was his doing. He got hundreds of thousands of rioters to attack The Capital, chanting to hang Mike Pence and to kill Nancy Pelosi, to break into The Capital, and to stop the formalization of his defeat in the election that he falsely claimed that he won in a landslide. Five people were killed because of what this traitor did. He didn't try to stop it. He didn't tweet to stop the attack when it began He instead watched it on TV and called Senators trying to get them to contest his loss while they cowered in hiding in fear for their lives. He didn't release the National Guard to stop it. Instead Mike Pence had to release the National Guard hours after the rebellion began. Trump is a pathological liar and a traitor and is programming you to believe his lies.
     
  18. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Trump was Trump but not a traitor, nor all the people who came forward with allegations of fraud and irregularities. Traitor is gross mis-characterization typical to communist in China or former soviet union. As tragic the events of Jan 6th and I totally oppose such violence, this wasn't Trump doing. Hr didn't plan it, he didn't suggest it and no were in his speeches he directed it. He planned a peaceful protest, this is democratic.
    Trump made mistakes, yes but he is not traitor.
    Some say follow the Chinese money and you will find the real traitors.
     
  19. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    If Donald Trump does try to run in 2024, and if he is eligible under the 14th amendment and hasn’t been barred through impeachment and conviction, I've no good reason to think he won't have a shot at some party's nomination. Might not be the GOP though. Trump is well positioned to found a third party which would have a ready made base of several tens of millions of voters. Then again, the Trump Resistance in the GOP is in tatters after four years and I'm far from sure it can repair itself. Trump could be the GOP nominee.

    But he has already lost once to Biden/Harris and I also see no good reason to think he wouldn't lose the rematch by an even greater margin. Trump's attempted coup happened AFTER he lost the election and it didn't do anything to improve his approval rating.

    Well, over the last two Presidential election cycles I'm 0 for 2 so I won't be putting any money on it!
     
  20. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    The purpose of this post was to show Bill that the accusations that 2016 elections were stolen came from the Dem's, left media.
    I made a point in response that Trump and his supporters repeated a lie, these video clips prove the opposite.
     

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