Tea leaves?

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  1. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Sorry Lerner, but saying there was no evidence of collusion is flat out wrong. It shows complete ignorance of the facts and likely also shows the blind faith you have in the words of a pathological liar. There was a lot of evidence of "collusion". It is interesting that even the quote you provided is evidence of collusion. "While members of President Trump’s 2016 campaign were in frequent contact with individuals linked to the Russian government," I'm sure you've heard Trump explicitly publicly ASKING Russia to find the emails and release the emails. The Mueller report says that very day the Russians started their attempts of hacking into the Clinton campaign. Also, it is obvious that the information Russia released to Wikileaks was used and appreciated by the Trump campaign. There was over 100 contacts between the Trump campaign and Russians. Paul Manafort gave a Russian spy a copy of the Trump campaign polling data. I could go on and on but that is some clear examples of evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

    There is a HUGE difference between there being no evidence and insufficient evidence to prove in a court of law. Perhaps you made that statement about "no evidence" as just mindless parroting of statements made by President Trump?
     
  2. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    The word "gonna" doesn't appear in the article you cite. The only places where 56% appear is in Trump's disapproval rating. It currently places Trump's approval rating at 46%, which is a bit higher than FiveThirtyEight's combined polling (43%).

    You seem to be making up things.
     
  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Which people? Not in the poll you cite.
     
  4. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    This is incredibly wrong. Why are you doing this?

    As I mentioned in response to a previous post of yours, "collusion" isn't a legal term. As Mueller explained, that's why he didn't use it.

    Mueller was unable to establish a criminal conspiracy. Not "collusion." And as Mueller noted, that was because of the Trump team's obstruction of justice. (That's why obstruction is a crime, even if the underlying crime cannot be prosecuted.) Trump wasn't prosecuted for obstruction because of the DoJ's policy of not indicting a sitting president. Mueller made it clear he was leaving it up to Congress to deal with the president.
     
  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    If this pile-on continues, "56%" of DI members are "gonna" have to indict poor Lerner for .... I dunno ... "obstruction" of ...erm... something, I guess. Not collusion, anyway. :)
    "Props" to Lerner for being able to take a hit and go down swinging if he has to.
     
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  6. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure what the props are for. Spewing one falsehood after another and ignore any rebuttal to what he posted?

    “That's not writing, that's typing.” -- Truman Capote
     
  7. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I was probably too hasty. I saw a desperate man doing desperate things, I guess, and mistook wild, ineffectual flailing for swinging.
     
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  8. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    BTW - I liked the Truman Capote quote. Helluva writer. A gifted, complex and desperately troubled man.
    His addictions drove him and, like so many others - he saw no choice but to go along for the ride, right to the end.
     
  9. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Mr. Douglas,
    Please check the following article from Reuters. I didn't make it up.
    By Sarah N. Lynch and Andy Sullivan
    ReutersMarch 24, 2019
    This is the source and there is number of them.

    https://news.yahoo.com/mueller-report-does-not-proof-trump-crimes-justice-200241825.html
    Mueller report finds no evidence that Trump campaign colluded with Russia: Justice Department

    What I posted, has the views of people who in my opinion are not trolling and hold responsible positions, and their opinions are valued by millions of Americans.

    Rich:
    So in my opinion AG is not agreeing with your rebuttal, and these are not falsehoods.
    AG is experienced professional in these issues.
     
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  10. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Ran out of time to edit previous post.
    So there room to your point as well,

     
  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Not my words,

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Special Counsel Robert Mueller found no evidence of collusion between President Donald Trump's campaign team and Russia, and did not present enough evidence to warrant charging Trump with obstruction of justice, U.S. Attorney General William Barr said on Sunday.

    Before shooting the messenger maybe do some googling?
     
  12. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    There is only one problem, Lerner quoted US Department of Justice, the AG.
    So I know all the criticism of AG Barr. At least he is professional and knows something about this maters.
     
  13. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    That debate (if you can even call it that) was such a sophomoric embarrassment and that isn't even in the top 20 of the most shameful breakdowns from our (mis)leaders this year. I'm ashamed of the people running this country (into the ground) and even more because they are too full of themselves to realize they should be ashamed of themselves, too.
     
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  14. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    You found a statement by googling. That statement when made back in 2019 was not an obvious lie. It was not an obvious lie because it was told before the Mueller report was released. It should be obvious to you now in 2020 that it is a lie. It is possible to free yourself from this lie if only you are willing. I've mentioned it multiple times that Trump is like a cult leader that controls the perception of reality that his followers have. I know people that are voting for Trump but don't believe his lies. How you approach this is totally up to you.
     
  15. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    You are talking about a cult?
    "We have a bigger issue at hand. We are living through a revolution. There is a revolution happening right in front of our eyes, right around us. We are in the midst of it.
    The rioting and the looting, the destruction of private property, all of this is happening because it’s being committed by people on the left.
    Those are the people engaged in this activity. They are the ones looting. They are the one's firebombing. They are the ones that are destroying. They’re the ones threatening.
    They are the ones literally trying to grab people out of their cars and beat them up. They are the people who are attacking people in public, in restaurants, and other places and harassing them and bullying them and threatening them physically. This is all being done by people on the left, and it’s all being done by people who are going to vote Democrat. They’re burning the American flag. They’re attacking police officers. They’re saying that cops need to be defunded.
    This summer has seen an explosion of artificial left-wing activism.
    Well-funded and expertly coordinated leftist groups like Black Lives Matter and Antifa ravaged American cities with a cultural revolution that threatened to overturn the American order.
    Today we have everyday institutions that were never involved in politics – like the NFL – now bowed before Black Lives Matter and other anti-American revolutionaries.

    The Trump base is not out burning anything down. The Trump base is not committing any crimes. The Trump base is not destroying private property.
    The Trump base is not grabbing people out of their cars and beating them to death."
     
  16. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    "That's what's horrible for this country. To say that this debate was horrible for America. It was just a debate, it really wasn't even that. It was a stacked-deck press conference.

    But regardless what it was, That's nothing compared to what this country faces if people like Black Lives Matter and Antifa and the people who have been looting and burning American cities win.
    If they get their hands on Washington, D.C., on the Oval Office, you can say good-bye to the America as founded."
     
  17. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    When confronted with an obvious lie that you've been lead to believe for over a year now, rather than dealing with it, you apparently instead grab an old familiar security blanket. Snuggle up, to your security blanket then.
     
  18. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    It certainly didn't help.

    More chaos is likely coming and it will likely come on and after election time from the masses of political zombies in this country who spend all day picking sides against each other instead of realizing the game being played on both of them. People are so brainwashed they're ready and willing to spill blood in the streets. If there is a revolution taking place, it's a revolution toward a full-blown idiocracy, ready to mobilize whenever a Capitol Hill clown spits out a lame one-liner they can latch on to.

    But I'm not playing in that game, and anyone who makes a move on me or my home will find it to be the last one they ever make as I have no desire to die for anyone or anything connected to this sham government of lying scoundrels.
     
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  19. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    From what I have seen so far the violent masses attacked institutions, businesses.
    I saw in the news they also attacked drivers who mostly happen to be in the area, some on the way home or to work.
    I think they know that people are armed and will protect their homes and loved ones so I think they didn't attack residential properties.

    The chaos also instigated by the media that set people into a pre-civil war mindset.
     
  20. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    The results of an investigation into the origins of the Mueller probe may change your views. Something that many here avoid facing.
    Not the news that Mueller utilized some lawyers who held anti-Trump prejudices.
    Evidence continues to mount President Trump was been victimized by rogue and lawless government actors throughout his entire presidency.
    Barnett meticulously documented the bureaucratic malfeasance and malicious politicization of the legal process. In what is known as 302 reports,
    he memorialized “the ‘get Trump’ attitude by some at the SCO” (Special Counsel Office). Whatever the president said or did was reflexively misrepresented by Mueller’s confederates.
    We now know that Agent Barnett’s testimony and his documentary evidence is a component U.S. Attorney John Durham’s criminal investigation into the origins of the FBI’s Russia probe.

    This doesn't bother you, Bill?
     

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