University of Bridgeport or A.T. Still university for DHSc

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  1. Todd Pope

    Todd Pope New Member

    I definitely wish evms would allow it to be finished sooner. I will be completing my WGU MBA HM in a single term, so I certainly will not be including attendance dates on my resume haha.
     
  2. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    The only option for acceleration is that EVMS (last I checked) will take some transfer credit, but it must be Doctoral-level credit and they won't accept much.
     
  3. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

  4. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Ah. So the motive, at least for Bridgeport, was financial. Interesting to see that the new owners are keeping the chiropractic school open. That profession is at a crossroads I think; get science or die. The era of the ill-defined and largely indemonstrable "subluxation" as the cause of all human suffering is becoming an embarrassment to many in the business.
     
  5. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I wonder if the N.D. program will survive as well? There are reasons to think not but who can say. Probably the biggest objective problem with naturopathic medicine is that so few states license it. There are Boards of Chiropractic in every state.
     
  6. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Hm. There's been movement since I last looked. NDs are licensed in many more states than used to be the case including New Mexico. I did not know that.
     
  7. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    I was just gonna say... 22 states isn't just a few, but there is certainly progress to be made.
     
  8. Todd Pope

    Todd Pope New Member

    I read in another unrelated article from earlier this year that they would be ending the ND program. With all of the uncertainty, I accepted the spot with AT Still. Thanks for all of your input!
     
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  9. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    They should probably end the D.C. program as well. Chiropractic isn't doing very well as a profession these days.
     
  10. JoshD

    JoshD Well-Known Member

    There will always be a niche for chiropractic. No, as to the validity of the work they do, different topic for a different day.
     
  11. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

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  12. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    There's definitely a niche for chiropractic. But you're right, tuition rates US schools charge and debt levels graduates incur seem rather exorbitant, given the kind of market they're facing. Yeah, it just might be worse than law.
     
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  13. Cinephile66

    Cinephile66 New Member

    Hey there! Congrats on all your educational pursuits!! I've also looked at the doctorate programs you mentioned, and while I'm not currently applying to any of them, I can at least speak on the subject matter as a healthcare administrator. I'm totally assuming this, but from what it sounds like, you're not currently in an admin position?

    I wouldn't worry so much about the subject/content matter of your doctorate. Our industry is much more impressed with results than they would be with a degree, so chances are the DHSC will be more of check mark than it would be a resume booster you're hoping it is. Healthcare is about the bottom line, and how efficient you are at providing the highest quality of care at the lowest cost; when you interview for admin positions, they will look pay closer attention to your work history and performance. They will ask you question on how you were able to reduce your organization's A/R by 3% or how you were able to renegotiate your vendor contracts and saved the company 100k.

    The doctorate will certainly help you in the long run, but not in the way that you may be thinking. Again, I don't know your current situation, but if your goal is to excel in healthcare administration, get yourself in a healthcare system if you aren't already, and learn that line of business like it was the back of your hand. Build relationships with the materials and asset managers so you know what your facility is buying, and treat your clinical staff like they were golden. If the nurses and doctors get the hint that your smart, willing and effective, they will teach you all of the health science you need (and then some) to help you run the business successfully. It may take a second, but if you make the right connections, you'll quickly learn that healthcare is more about who and what you know vs. where and what you got your degree in. I have one colleague with a degree from UPenn and an MPH from UCLA, and she was turned down for many managerial positions despite those learning credentials because she simply didn't have the experience the positions called for. However, now that she's been an administrator for a number of years with proven performance, the Ivy and UCLA degree make her that much more attractive. Also, and of great importance, never at any time during any of her interviews for these high level healthcare administration jobs did the ever discuss her educational background at great length. (May I also add, never at any time has a potential employer asked me if the MBA program I am pursuing is AACSB or ACBSP accredited, just saying...)

    Please also note, none of this is to try and dissuade you from pursuing your doctorate, especially on a forum like this. (Especially since I'm also looking at that $15k DHA @ VUL) That is quite an impressive feat and challenge to take on. If anything, I hope I can at least help you set your expectations to what pursuing the degree can do for you.

    Hope this helps!
     
  14. Todd Pope

    Todd Pope New Member

    Thank you for your insight! That is very helpful, as you are correct. I have been working for the Social Security Administration for 7 years, and my experience is more concentrated in public insurance programs. I did manage to land a few interviews so far for clinical administration positions, and have another scheduled for June 3rd that I am particularly excited about as a clinical admin associate for a local mercy hospital. My motivations are less career / money oriented, and more about being able to apply new scientific principles of business and operations to improve access, affordability and quality of health services for people who currently struggle to get the help they need.
     
  15. Professor Patrick

    Professor Patrick New Member

    To being this posting, let make the following disclosure. I am an adjunct faculty in the Doctor of Health Sciences program offered by the College of Graduate Health Studies at A.T. Still University. Importantly, I completed the DHSc program focused on global health in 2012. Since graduating, I have become a leading scholar in my profession (nursing) as well as a respected health sciences research in Latin America. The DHSc program at ATSU has a large number of distinguished alumni in academia, government, military, and industry. The university is highly respected with excellent programs offering a solid doctoral education. The key to the success of the program is the well constructed courses (six) that move students through the process of completing their applied research project. There is no question in my mind about the best university to undertake doctoral education in the health sciences.
     
  16. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    Earlier this year, I suddenly had trouble walking due to excruciating lower back pain that lasted for a month. I went to a Chiropractor, and with just one adjustment I felt noticeably better immediately after and was back to 100% the very next day.

    No pain since.
     
  17. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Stephen Barrett, MD runs the Quackwatch web sites and is no friend of chiropractic. Nevertheless, in a speech to a group of chiropractors some years ago, Dr. Barrett told them "You do help people". It's a troubled profession. www.quackwatch.org
     
  18. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    I think the profession is fine when it sticks to adjustments for pain relief and range of motion issues. It's when they've gone into claiming it as a cure-all for things that have no strong scientific evidence to support it, that's when it goes wrong. The best thing they can do for their field is drop all of that, focus on the things they do that help people, use supporting research about it (https://www.acatoday.org/Research/What-Research-Shows) and build on that.
     
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  19. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

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