Ivy-league bachelors OR regular MBA (EBS, Heriot-Watt)

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  1. Newbie2DL

    Newbie2DL Member

    I am interested in the outcome of this post following a discussion with another student. What would be considered better, a bachelors in Business/Management from an ivy-league school in the UK, or a DL MBA from Edinburgh Business School, Heriot-Watt? What about from an employers perspective? Please give me your views. Thanks.
     
  2. Cory

    Cory New Member

    Better for what? Comparing a Bachelors to an MBA is an apples to oranges comparison. People with an MBA typically hold different jobs than people with a BA/BS.
     
  3. What does this mean?

    Oxbridge? Red Brick? Russell group?
     
  4. Newbie2DL

    Newbie2DL Member

    I am interested in what employers would prefer out of the two, a bachelors in Business or Management from a red-brick (Warwick), as opposed to an MBA from EBS?
     
  5. Then it depends on what position and proposed career track you have in mind.
     
  6. John Roberts

    John Roberts New Member

    Newbie, I figured out what your asking.

    1) The MBA is definitely seen as a Higher qualification than any BA in Business management from Warwick.

    2) If you already have an undergrad degree in something, then yes go for the MBA at HW.

    3) If your relatively young with NO industrial or professional experience then you should consider getting that undergrad degree fisrt or the BA from Warwick, Manchester or the OU (3-4 years).

    4) If you have neither an Undergrad degree, related professional work experience and are merely pusuing a fast track to an MBA for the sake of showing the world that your an MBA..then go try the HW, but it wont be easy, since you will have to do well in the first two courses to cut to the chase and this should still take you 4-6 years to complete (just a guess).

    You see as Cory and Gert mentioned, it all depends on what your final goals and outcomes are, you never mentioned this, and here we are guessing at your future career prospects.

    As I said above my guess is that you want a fast track so that you can apply for those wonderful ad's in the newspaper that are asking for MBA's with an offer of 100K salary.

    If and when you get that MBA, you will be challanged by any employer considering hiring you and probably start you off as a junior at less than half of the going rate of an experienced MBA.

    The Qualification is only one thing, proven experience is another.

    Now if your relatively young/fresh undergrad with that BA, you may in fact be more employable.

    Hope this helps, and please tell us more about yourself and why you asked your question in this way.

    Good luck with your decision.

    J.R(ic)
     
  7. Malcolm Jenner

    Malcolm Jenner New Member

    Warwick is "plate glass" university, i.e. one of the group of universities built in the 1960s with a lot of concrete and glass buildings. The term "red brick" refers to the older civic universities in UK, such as Birmingham, Manchester, Leicester, Sheffield, Nottingham, etc. :)


    Malcolm S Jenner
     
  8. What about Victoria University? Red brick or not?

    Trivia question for higher education buffs: What is/was Victoria University (of England, not Victoria University of Wellington in New Zealand, nor Victoria University of Melbourne in the Penal Colonies)?
     
  9. Malcolm Jenner

    Malcolm Jenner New Member

    The question is too easy, given that the "is" and two-thirds of the "was" are included in my list of "red brick" universities. :)


    Malcolm S Jenner
     
  10. I should have said "English academics are not eligible"!
     
  11. Malcolm Jenner

    Malcolm Jenner New Member

    Which is one reason why I did not give the answer. One might also note that this subject has been discussed previously in this forum.

    Malcolm S Jenner
     
  12. John Roberts

    John Roberts New Member

    Malcolm..Owens college courtisy of Richrd Cobden in 1851, was to become in 1873 the first step to the Victoria University Manchester, a Red Brick (Black soot that is) in 1880.

    Play the second point on the link page to see the History Video clip about the start of the Victoria University (Owens College) of Red (Black) bricks.

    Not the kind of place I would want to study, looking way back then.

    Gert was this the correct answer?

    http://www.man.ac.uk/about/movies.html

    J.R(ic)
     
  13. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    And the University of Victoria, in Victoria, BC, Canada.

    The old broad got around.
     
  14. The trick was the "is/was" in my question. Victoria University is Manchester, and it was also Leeds and Liverpool (which became independent in 1903).

    There nearly was an Albert University -- the Privy Council recommended that Albert University receive a Royal Charter, but in fact this proposal was never fulfilled. I guess I could ask another trivia question -- what happened to the organization(s) that would have formed Albert University?

    I wonder what will become of the University of Manchester? Manchester and UMIST have agreed to merge. The two institutions were linked until 1993 so this is a natural fit. The name for the combined university is to be announced next year. My proposal: Manchester United.
     
  15. John Roberts

    John Roberts New Member

    Gert, Manchester United is Okay, but those City people wont let this happen (Red & Blues dont mix). So what about Manchester City United (MCU) or Manchester City University. How will the MMU fit into the new name thing and what about Salford.

    The Albert question is/was easier than the Owens college and the combined L.L.M (Victoria) quiz.

    You may have started a good thing here, why not post the quizzes on the off topic section for a Lark/Laugh whatever.

    J.R(ic)
     
  16. Easy? I thought Albert University would stump people. Indeed, when I did a Google on it, I found an "alternative" university at http://www.albertuniversity.org/ rather than the original proposed in the so-called Albert Charter.
     
  17. Malcolm Jenner

    Malcolm Jenner New Member

    Sheffield was also associated with the Victoria University for a short period. This explains why Sheffield and Liverpool do not teach Theology - the Victoria University had a ban on "religious tests" for entry. Manchester and Leeds interpreted this differently and established non-denominational theology departments working in collaboration with locla denominational theological colleges.

    Malcolm S Jenner
     
  18. Thanks Malcolm. I didn't know about Sheffield.
     

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