NCCA is it an accredited degree?

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  1. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    I’m delighted to find that Richard is alive and well.

    As for Steve Baran, his bio appears at Christian counseling training, pastoral counseling courses, counselor licensing – National Christian Counselors Association. In relevant part:

    I won’t comment on his so-called credentials, except to cite an oft-used phrase in the law, Res ipsa loquitur.
    :biglaugh:
     
  2. NCCA_Admin

    NCCA_Admin New Member

    Ncca

    Steve Levicoff,

    Dr. Arno is a great man. As for your comments about me, i only pray that you be Blessed and Highly Favored, in the Lord.

    Steve Baran
    NCCA

     
  3. Juan Rojas

    Juan Rojas New Member

    Greetings,
    So I looked into (Dr." Gary Tryzbiak)
    and did read his bio that mentioned he has several degrees however none are said to be from Colorado Theological Seminary as you had stated. Could you be so kind to point out where I can confirm this Information? Thank you
    JR
     
  4. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

  5. Juan Rojas

    Juan Rojas New Member

  6. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    wikileaks?
     
  7. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    Wow . . . a seven plus year-old thread that has not had a recent post for over three years, necromanced (once again) by yet another first-time poster who is too dumb to do his own research.

    For you in particular, Juan, I'd recommend a degree from Colorado Theological Seminary and membership in NCCA. You and they should get along marvelously.
     
  8. Juan Rojas

    Juan Rojas New Member

    You obviously speak like a highly educated Individual Steve, however comon sense tells me you have nothing positive to contribute.
    If you can manage reading carefully my original question you will hopefully understand the sarcasm in the question, The fact is you and others alike have no clue. I have no Interest
    In your childlike manners, and Immature remarks.
     
  9. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    Certainly, Juan. Those of us with childlike manners who make immature remarks are always happy to help mentally deficient, illiterate people like you. Copied directly from Gary Tryzbiak's LinkedIn page:
    It is quite obvious that Gary Tryzbiak is a fraud. To take only two years to get a Ph.D. in a subject in which you do not have a previous degree obviously indicates that Colorado Theological Seminary is a degree mill. To earn a Th.D. in only one year when you have no previous theological degrees indicates that Florida Theological Seminary is also a degree mill.

    The question, then, is why you are naïve enough to follow Tryzbiak as if he had any credibility (which he does not), and then why you are inane enough to blame someone else for calling you out on your mierda.
     
  10. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    Certainly, Juan. Those of us with childlike manners who make immature remarks are always happy to help mentally deficient, illiterate people like you. Copied directly from Gary Tryzbiak's LinkedIn page:

    It is quite obvious that Gary Tryzbiak is a fraud. To take only two years to get a Ph.D. in a subject in which you do not have a previous degree obviously indicates that Colorado Theological Seminary is a degree mill. To earn a Th.D. in only one year when you have no previous theological degrees indicates that Florida Theological Seminary is also a degree mill.

    The question, then, is why you are naïve enough to follow Tryzbiak as if he had any credibility (which he does not), and then why you are inane enough to blame someone else for calling you out on your mierda.
     
  11. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Pastoral Counselling for the most part is not regulated. If you want to be an independent counsellor in private practice, the most important is that an insurance company is able to insure your practice more than if the degree is RA, DEAC or religious based. Many insurance companies recognize several professional associations so the key thing here is membership in an association that is recognized for insurance purposes. The criteria for membership in recognized association varies, NCCA certification is indeed recognized by many insurance companies.

    The main problem here is not so much practicing as a counsellor but getting customers. You are competing with psychologists that many times are covered by private insurance companies and many psychologists are ordained ministers so they provide also pastoral counselling but with the advantage that they can write insurance receipts. If you want to be a serious mental health professional, I would consider a psychologist license rather than pastoral counselling. Pastoral counselling can be good as a second job but it might not get you the financial stability that you might need.

    The other career path for Pastoral Counsellors is to serve in a recognized church or denomination. For this purpose, an MDiv with specialization in pastoral counselling from a RA school would be desirable as you could do ministerial services and also do counselling.
     
  12. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Juan, Steve is just playing with you. He likes to play this type of games. Steve has made good contributions to this site but he can come across as an arrogant SOB but in general he means well.

    As for pastoral counselling, although Steve has written books about the subject and seems to understand well the field, my experience is that people go for pastoral counselling with pastors or ordained ministers of their denomination of preference. Degree accreditation, degree mills, blah, blah is mostly irrelevant in the religious field, you are either a pastor or minister with a good reputation or not. Most people that I know in the religious field have unaccredited degrees and other than those that teach at the University level, you don't really need an RA accredited degree for pastoral counselling.

    Most pastors make very little money to justify the expense for an accredited PhD or even need one.

    A pastoral counsellor in private practice might be lucky if he or she makes 30K a year, the average customer customer comes to you by referral and can care less if the degree is RA or religious based. The customer would just ask if you are covered by insurance in case the customer wants to sue you but membership in NCCA would help you with the insurance.



    If you need advise for a career in pastoral counselling careers, you should talk to one that is in private practice. I work in Canada part time as one, I have an accredited doctorate but it doesnt make a difference, many insurance firms would not care if the degree is accredited or not and you have many people practicing with unaccredited doctorates.
     
  13. alkuish

    alkuish New Member

    I guess so is taking the regular counselling better than pastoral counselling
     
  14. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    Yes. At least in regards to potential employment.
     
  15. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    It depends what the OP means by "better". If you have a passion about spirituality and guiding people and not so much concern about money, pastoral counselling might be the way, if you are looking for a counselling degree that can lead to a job in an institution that requires an RA counselling degree such as an school, hospital, clinic, etc, then the traditional counselling degree might be a better way to go.

    Pastoral counselling is mainly non regulated so the profession does not need a degree. Most pastoral counselors are ordained ministers and get the pastoral counselling training so they can give better counselling.

    There are many reasons why people would do pastoral counselling over traditional counselling but mainly are interest and cost. Pastoral counselling degrees are way cheaper than traditional degrees because the schools are mainly non accredited religious based.

    The controversy about pastoral counselling is that some religious schools provide degrees that are meant to deceive people such as "Metaphysical Psychology" or "Theocentric Psychology" so the prospect customer might think that the person with the PhD is a qualified psychologist.
     
  16. newsongs

    newsongs Active Member

    Some schools (like my own Alliant - formerly USIU) offered a degree in Pastoral Counseling which was licensable (as MFT). It is still a specialty area offered there.
     

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