William Loveland College

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  1. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    If you're interested in unaccredited logistics courses, I'm sure there are some on edX, Coursera, or Alison.com.
     
  2. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Well, um... I think it did. The WLC website said that ILM had become a division of WLC - or words to that effect - so, I guess, if the mother-ship goes down, so do all the dinghies attached. Kizmet's reasoning about lack of students would apply, also.

    J.
     
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  3. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    @SweetiePie - Proof of the pudding:

    "It took over three years to transition the Institute of Logistical Management (ILM) to William Loveland College (WLC). In addition to transforming the vocational school to meet degree granting requirements, ILM had to transition out of the for-profit business model and into a functioning not-for-profit model....The Institute of Logistical Management (ILM) continues as a division of the college, (emphasis mine - J.) and continues to provide courses and certification tracks for logistics practitioners, as it has done for almost 100 years."

    From here: William Loveland College Premieres as a Not-For-Profit, Degree-Granting Institution After Three

    Yes - it does seem - as WLC goeth, so goeth ILM. Goeth, goeth, gone.

    J.
     
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  4. SweetiePie

    SweetiePie New Member

    I've given up any hope of attending WLC or ILM. I'm looking into other grad schools and logistics programs. Thank you all for your help and excellent suggestions.
     
  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    At the risk of letting this become another "cheap MBA" thread, there used to be four other RA schools - not yet mentioned here - that stood out in the "reasonable" cost lineup: Chadron, Ft. Hays State, Wayne State and Amberton. I'm assuming they're now probably around five times the cost of University of the People - but that's still reasonable for a RA school. And maybe try Eastern New Mexico U. as well, though I'm not sure.

    Just a suggestion - a few more places to look, if RA is absolutely necessary, though I gather SweetiePie feels that NA schools are OK.

    J.
     
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  6. SweetiePie

    SweetiePie New Member

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    Just a suggestion - a few more places to look, if RA is absolutely necessary, though I gather SweetiePie feels that NA schools are OK for her.

    J.[/QUOTE]

    Which do you think is better and why? An RA or NA school?
     
  7. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Just looked up Eastern New Mexico University. Out of State, enrolled in 7 or more credits: over $500 per credit hour. Taking it slower, 6 credits or less? Around $259 + $17 / credit online fee. Now that's more like it. Distance MBA page here: Online Master of Business Administration MBA

    J.
     
  8. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Which do you think is better and why? An RA or NA school?[/QUOTE]

    An RA school will have more utility.
     
  9. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    (1) In short, Abner is right - and he holds both kinds of degree, so that matters. :smile:
    (2) What I think doesn't matter, but here goes:

    It all depends where and what you want the degree for. Some employers require degrees to be from RA schools. Some even require an MBA to have additional programmatic accreditation - AACSB specifically for some, ACBSP etc. OK for others. Some employers accept RA with/without the extra program accreditation - or NA, which doesn't (ever) carry the extras. What you need, in that case, depends on where you want to work.

    Another limitation of NA degrees is that they have less acceptance for further education. The higher you go, the more difficulty you'll encounter. For instance, with an NA MBA, you might have quite a search for an RA school willing to admit you to a DBA program. A few RA schools might - if they felt your chances of success appeared good. They might well admit you provisionally and require you to do some extra courses with them first. Others won't consider the NA degree sufficient to admit you.

    Some people are "RA or the Highway," maintaining that a NA degree is no good whatsoever. Others say that it should be treated just like a RA degree. I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. It's an old, old debate - but I think NA has gained more acceptance in the last ten or fifteen years. There's still a fairly big gap, though - but more ways around it than there used to be. Like Abner says - RA (still) has more utility.

    Try to make sure that any degree you undertake will take you where you want to go after graduation. :smile:

    J.
     
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  10. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    I will add a few minor points. If you are at the end point of your career, or otherwise happy in your current position then an NA may suffice. NA becomes an issue moving up the ladder by seeking alternate employment, or seeking higher education beyond your NA degree from quality institutions.
     
  11. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Good summary.
     
  12. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

  13. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I'm not paying to read the submissions, so if you did you'd know best. But it looks like all that's happened is that WLC recently hired an attorney and is challenging summary dismissal. Is that not so?
     
  14. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I didn't pay either, Steve. I'm just guessing - but I have a strong hunch the summary dismissal may hold. I think there probably had to be substantial reason to file for it in the first place. I could be wrong (newsflash!) We'll soon know.
     
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  15. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Asking for summary dismissal is common in all civil court cases. In one recent case (which cannot be named here), the defense asked for summary dismissal, but was denied. Then when the case finally made it to a hearing, the defendant lost his case. The point is that it's standard practice to ask for a summary dismissal. This is not to suggest that WLC will win or lose.
     
  16. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    me again is right on this one: it's pretty common to ask for summary judgment, but it doesn't necessarily mean anything. And in this case the dismissal was being requested because Dave apparently wasn't doing anything to pursue the case, but now that's not so.
     
  17. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    OK, I stand corrected then. We'll see. I'm surprised that nothing has happened further (e.g. dismissal request dealt with, one way or the other) since November. The wheels grind at a very slow pace, it seems. Oh well -- I'll stay tuned.
     
  18. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Civil court is for the devil, the rich and some who are victimized by the expense of it.
     
  19. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    I'm not an attorney, but the Oct 4, 2017 minute order caught my eye. DEAC had already sought a summary dismissal in the Southern District of New York and that motion had already been rejected without prejudice.

    Now the DC District (where the case was moved) is seemingly reopening that dismissal issue and is taking it up once again. They aren't just accepting it as already decided up in NY and instead of telling everyone to get on with the case are inviting the litigants to re-argue it.

    So I'm wondering if that's a faint signal that they are inclined to rule the other way and would prefer that this case not be on their court calendar.

    Maybe some of our attorneys could comment on that.
     
  20. geoffs

    geoffs Member

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