The 100K Club (WGU & SNHU approaching)

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by decimon, Apr 24, 2018.

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  1. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

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  2. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    "The for-profit brand has been tarnished,” said Trace Urdan, managing director at Tyton Partners,... self-inflicted scandals". We have been saying this for a while, they did it to themselves. All the good things they did were so easily forgotten
     
  3. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    This will now shake out as it will. The for-profits may have to take a different tack or become nominally non-profit.
     
  4. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    A few have transitioned to non-profit status. Keiser University did several years back, and Grand Canyon University is in the process.
     
  5. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    Now the profit must be more creatively accrued.
     
  6. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    It's not even that creative. The university has a service contract with a for-profit provider to basically do everything that the accreditors will accept. Easy peasy.
     
  7. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    Sadly a lot of these for-profit schools are only seeking to become non-profit because of the bad reputation associated with the for-profit brand.
     
  8. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    It is just a matter of time before a distinction is made between the genuine not-for-profits, and the so-called NFP-FPs, the ultimate oxymoron.
     
  9. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member


    If there truly are any. The monies that pass through these schools make of them a, if you will, major industry.
     
  10. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    It's sad that they have to waste their time reorganizing thanks to the antisocial behavior of other institutions over which they had no control, yes.
     
  11. DxD=D^2

    DxD=D^2 Member

    Argosy, South Univ and all those under that umbrella have now moved to non-profit through the Dream Center.
     
  12. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    The climate is changing all around. We went, in a very short period of time, from "online degrees are all bullshit" to reputable schools getting into the game. Moreover, we now have at least one example of a reputable school (Purdue) purchasing a for-profit school (Kaplan) and integrating it into its own portfolio.

    Non-profit sounds nice to a lot of people. But even the traditional non-profit schools typically spend very large amounts of all that tax-free booty on things like consultants, perks for senior administrators and all sorts of stuff that likely wasn't envisioned when non-profit laws were written. A colleague of mine who works in HR at an Ivy League school nearby (ahem) was recently going off about how the university president lives in a university owned house, a university owned NYC based apartment and is regularly followed by an entourage of plain clothes armed security guards, contracted by an outside firm which, incidentally, often necessitates private air travel.

    If UPhoenix ever put up one of their execs in a company owned house paid for with tuition dollars, including many dollars from the USDOE, Dick Durbin would have a shit fit. But it's totally game on as long the school doing it is the sort of place where the critics might want to send their kids.

    Likewise, if Kaplan bought Purdue, I think we'd see an outright revolt.

    But the old assumptions just don't hold up anymore. At any moment, a non-profit or even a public institution could gobble up Phoenix and all of those maligned students could find themselves with a better brand name on their diplomas to accompany their souvenir socks. The sooner people realize that "non-profit" doesn't mean "nobody is getting rich off of this" the easier a time we'll all have.
     
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  13. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Well said, Neuhaus. I would add that the sooner people realize that "somebody is getting rich off of this" isn't the terrible thing that people in the last few decades have come to believe, the easier a time we'll all have, but maybe that's just me....
     
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  14. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    The sticky in this wicket is the taxpayer monies being glommed by the somebodies.
     
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  15. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    While I was speaking more generally, you're entirely right. Title IV is an example of crony corporatism, not a free market.
     

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