Paine College Loses Accreditation

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  1. Tireman 44444

    Tireman 44444 Well-Known Member

    Paine College faces a recommendation that it lose accreditation for not meeting financial standards, a loss that would make the small private historically black college in Augusta, Ga. ineligible for federal funding at a time when it has already struggled.
    The college will appeal the recommendation, it said Thursday evening, according to WTVM. Paine announced its plan to appeal after the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools Commission on Colleges said earlier Thursday that the college had not satisfied deficiencies in three areas, according to The Augusta Chronicle. Those areas are financial resources and stability, financial stability, and control of sponsored research/external funds. Paine has been on probation since 2014.

    https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2016/06/17/paine-college-accreditation-be-revoked

    Another viewpoint.......


    aine College vowed last week to fight the loss of its accreditation, clearing the way for alumni and community members to raise enough hope, money and goodwill to preserve 134 years of history from the crushing weight of the last decade marred by industrial change, executive incompetence, and managerial lawlessness.

    Simply saving Paine today won’t make it sustainable for tomorrow. Even if we can raise enough money to keep one of Augusta’s key economic drivers open for another year or two, it won’t save the school from a Department of Education aggressively working to prepare the country for a future in which the only schools likely to survive are large schools with majors that help save, improve or lengthen lives.


    Saving HBCUs That Don’t Want to be Saved | HBCU Digest
     
  2. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Ouch. That hurts.
     
  3. Tireman 44444

    Tireman 44444 Well-Known Member

    I see what you did there....LOL
     
  4. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    My first house was old. And whenever I ripped out something that was old and falling apart people would whine and moan. Ripped out the pocket doors. People told me I was destroying quality worksmanship. Replaced the original cabinets with Ikea and people acted like I had hosted a religiously offensive cartoon drawing contest.

    Just because something is "historic" doesn't mean that it is necessary to preserve.
     
  5. anngriffin777

    anngriffin777 New Member

    Hello. I live in Augusta Georgia. Paine college kept hiring people that constantly messed up the finances at the school doing God only knows what. This school has been a train wreck waiting to happen for many years. The school is classified as an HBCU (historically black college/university). I don't know what that is really supposed to mean in 2016. I am black, or the politically-correct term African-American. I don't live in a segregated country. I can go to school where ever I want to if I have to grades and money to get in the school. If Paine can get bailed out of the situation than that is cool. If not, the school and the destructive powers that be that put it in this bad position will have to take its lumps like any other business and educational facility that dropped the ball. There won't be many people that are going to waste their time and money attending an unaccredited college unless they are over the top stupid. Good luck Paine College.
     
  6. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    I am in agreement with you. If it can be help, then help, but help may just lead to moral hazard. However, bad behavior/management should not be rewarded. This should now be a lesson in good governance for similar institutions like Paine.
     
  7. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    HBCU means exactly what it says...

    Historically Black

    Historically these schools were the only option (in many cases). And they were places where a white student wouldn't have gone. Today that isn't the case at all. Students of all races may attend an HBCU (and many do). An African American Student can also go to any university (and many do).

    HBCUs occupy, in many ways, a space not unlike many of the smaller Catholic universities and colleges. Years ago, a Catholic went to a school like Notre Dame or Villanova because Catholics faced discrimination at Protestant affiliated private schools. That hasn't been the case for a long time. And if you go to Villanova, Georgetown, Fordham, the University of Scranton or Loyola you'll likely find things going on that are decidedly not very Catholic (i.e. pro-choice professors, LGBT student groups etc). Those schools played a very important role historically because they offered a marginalized group an avenue to private education. Today they survive because they are well respected schools producing quality research. But many more have failed outright or have merged with other schools.

    Some HBCUs are doing well. Some are not. Howard University is well regarded, has a sizable endowment ($600M+) and a pretty successful alumni base. They have a medical school, a dental school and a law school. So they are pumping out professionals who are clearly giving back.

    Paine College has an endowment of $8M, though reports indicate that it has a net value of only $4M. That's not good. My company has retirees with nearly that much in their 401(k)s. Paine College's only claim to "professional schools" would be their colleges of education, business and media studies. I don't believe they even offer graduate degrees.

    To me, being an HBCU is a bit like saying you're a land/sea/space grant university. It's a historical fact. But your school needs to be able to stand on its own. You can't pay the bills with provenance. Schools like Howard University get it and they thrive. Schools like Paine don't and they falter.

    In any case, if Paine is able to keep its head above water financially I predict they will be the latest HBCU to find a home with TRACS just like Paul Quinn College.
     
  8. anngriffin777

    anngriffin777 New Member

    Paine College going with Tracs accredittion?!?

    If Paine College has to go to national accreditation with TRACS, I will laugh. That is going backwords, not forwards. Morris Brown College is going that route now. That will just be another reason why black colleges are losing relevance. How can you support the validity of an institution when you can't pay your bills and keep the freaking door open at your college? Notre Dame, Yeshiva, and Brigham Young, and other ethnic/religious colleges do not have these problems. Get it together Paine, or let it go.

    Ann Griffin- honest African-American college graduate.

    Master of Arts in Organizational Leadership- Waldorf College
     
  9. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    TRACS seems to be the standard backup plan for colleges which are in jeopardy of losing RA. Liberty University was accredited by TRACS, but once they were out of hot water with SACS, they either let it lapse, or resigned.
     
  10. Tireman 44444

    Tireman 44444 Well-Known Member

    As an Anglo graduate of an HBCU (NCCU), I chose North Carolina Central University ( and the chair was awesome. Great lady. Dr. Jacobs just died not too long ago. Amazing African historian. She was tough on all us. We were her bear cubs, as it were. :) ) because I believed the History department was better than NC State and UNC-Greensboro. I met with all chairs and NCCU had a far better track record of producing PhDs in History at other institutions (80 percent since 1980) than the other two. I did not take into account that it was an HBCU. Now, NC A&T and NC Central are in very good shape financially ( The UNC System spent a ton of money to get them to profitability) and are state schools in their own right (Tier 2). I agree with Ann, the smaller schools (HBCU and not) really need to do it right. Yes, I am still the only non PhD in my graduating class of 1996 (MA) that does not have a PhD. That should be rectified by this December. God willing and the creek don't rise.
     
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  11. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    I went to Scranton (and will again soon) because I believed then, as I do now, that it has a very good business program for the level of employment I presently occupy as well as those within my grasp.

    Cornell has a pretty nice MBA. And, with a six figure price tag, you pretty much have to reach for the stars when you graduate just to justify the expense. For me, what I do, where I do it and where I hope to be eventually, this is one of my better options, in my opinion.

    Scranton is a good school in its own right. I don't agree with their official theological positions. But I'm not there studying theology.

    Go to an HBCU because it is a good school with a good program that will help you to achieve your goals just like you would select any school. I would never recommend a school that loses RA (even if it gets TRACS on the rebound) regardless of its historic status.

    Sometimes colleges and universities fail. They simply can no longer financially support themselves and they close. That's OK. Nothing lasts forever.
     

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