Carrying a baseball bat in your trunk

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  1. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    My father had multiple guns, but was, himself, shot to death without even having a chance to grab for his own.

    Bad guys with guns will always have the advantage over good guys with guns because they have the elements of surprise and suppressed inhibition.

    I'm not making a policy point here, just making an observation.
     
  2. apriltrainer

    apriltrainer New Member

    How about a clubbell? Use it for exercise...and possibly use it to hit someone over the head if need be. I've carried it on public trans and gotten looks and even been questioned. I had a police officer ask me about it. I told him I was a personal trainer. Which I am. Told him it was a clubbell and I could show him a few tricks. Which I did.

    https://youtu.be/owDJGnXGnxY

    pretty sure you can get away with carying a piece of exercise equipment right next to you in the front seat.

    I made my own clubbells - https://youtu.be/PQKsyqQPRpc because the real deal is expensive.

    You'll get strong arms and a core and it doubles to whack someone over the head if the situation ever arises. Never got myself in a situation where that happened and hopefully never will.
     
  3. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Not true, because the last thing in the world that the bad guy expects is to be shot himself. That's why I think "open carry" is stupid; not because it offends people, but because you lose all element of surprise. I have my off-duty Glock 26 positioned so I can draw it quickly, while it looks like I'm getting my wallet.
     
  4. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I agree with on the element of surprise. Better to carry like you do it. This kind of reminds of those movies where some guy says "Hey, you better watch out, I am a black belt, and I am going to mess you up!" Just ruined the element of surprise.
     
  5. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Exactly, and add in the fact that almost no legitimate expert martial artist would make such a foolish statement. Clowns who say that usually have no more training then watching a Bruce Lee movie, or Bellator MMA on TV.

    If anyone is interested, here are many true stories of armed citizens who prevented crimes and saved lives by being armed when it counted;

    https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/armed-citizen/
     
  6. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Those are good true stories. I imagine these are people who have trained proficiently and keep up there shooting skills very well over the years. In there cases, they were better off having a gun than not. I don't know if I will every need to use my own gun, but it is ready and waiting just in case. I have become a fairly decent shooter if I say so myself.
     
  7. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    You would know better than I. But aren't there two sorts of incidents, the first where, yes, the element of surprise is important, but also the second where an open show of deterrence prevents the incident from happening in the first place?
     
  8. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    You got me thinking about something Bruce. Carrying your gun hidden away makes sense. Now, if someone wears there big old gun on a fancy gun belt, I am wondering what the odds are that some pendejo will try to walk up and take that gun away and use it on that person if emotions escalate. I mean, most people are not trained on what to do like cops, soldiers or martial artists in this situation. What do you think? Is there something to what I am thinking? Just asking. I am not even quite sure what I am asking to be honest. Just kind of thinking out load I guess.
     
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  9. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    You've decided that you are going to spray bullets in a public space. You're all locked and loaded. You've padlocked the exits. You get inside and see some Walker Texas Ranger wannabe with a gun conspicuously holstered on his hip.

    Do you abort your plan or just shoot him first?

    I get what you're saying though. If you walk in and EVERYONE is open carrying then, well, maybe. And if you just intended to rob the liquor store but don't actually want to hurt people then the one guy with a gun might be enough deterrent.

    As a former concealed carrier myself I tend toward Bruce's reasoning. I want my carry concealed. I want an element of surprise. And, perhaps more importantly, I want to be able to choose not to shoot if I don't feel safe doing so.

    But open carry activists tend to be obnoxious and aggressive and they rightfully freak people out. That guy who walked into the Atlanta airport with a rifle and taunted the police, for example, was not protecting himself or anyone else. He was being a jackass.

    But this can also make things less safe. A poorly phrased 9-11 call can make open carry seem like brandishing a weapon and, if the response is as...uhh...swift..as in the case of Tamir Rice then bullets fly before questions can be asked. I'm also of the strange opinion that if a guy walks into my kids' school with a gun in hand one should be able to call the police and expect a response BEFORE he pulls the trigger. Open carry makes things murkier.

    Since moving to NYS I switched my Everyday Carry to include a can of NYS approved pepper spray. I keep it handy in the car because I routinely drive through downtown Syracuse, sometimes at night, and it's nice to have something at the ready. When the kids get older and can be properly trained I will likely move my Benelli back into the house. But I'm not feeling the need for a handgun again any time soon.
     
  10. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I'm sure there are some people who are deliberately provocative, but of the people I've ever seen carrying openly (and you can do that in Virginia without a permit), none were doing that. I have the feeling this is sort of like the popular perception of vegans -- the few who are confrontational about it perpetuate a stereotype that doesn't actually describe the vast majority.

    Anyway, I take your overall point.
     
  11. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    PA is also a state where open carry is legal without a permit (or, at least it was when I was there). I recall there were these two guys who would open carry in local restaurants and then argue with people until the police arrived.

    Plus, you know, the Texas crew with the rifles.

    PA also had an unfortunate number of people who would display "Concealed Carry Permit" badges on their belts next to their open carry in the style of plain clothes police officers.

    Of course the well behaved people don't make the news so we don't notice them as much.
     
  12. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

  13. TomE

    TomE New Member

    I'd say your best bet is the cricket stick (should be able to mimic an appropriate accent in case you're questioned about it) and a 4-iron (I, like most people, can't hit the long irons).

    Casey Jones has the right idea

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