Cheapest degree program

You missed the point ...

Professor Kennedy, you missed the point ... and the smile.

I am Irish not Scottish, and we express ourselves differently.

It was NOT a criticism of H-W ... you DON'T have to defend the program to me, although I don't agree with your marking system/accepted failure rate, but that is academic.

Peter French
BEd MEd MAcc
Australia

 

Professor Kennedy:
You speak of passing exams "under our exam conditions." Sounds grueling or perhaps mediaeval. What exactly do you folks do to those who sit exams?

 

In the HW MBA NEGOTIATION exam, candidates are compelled to listen to Gavin Kennedy's 33 1/3 scratched vinyl copy of "Sidney Devine's greatest hits", for two of the three hours of testing. This practice is not a feature of U.S. HW exam diets, where it would contravene Constitutional proscriptions on cruel and unusual punishment.


Lawrie Miller
BA in 4 Weeks
http://geocities.com/ba_in_4_weeks

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I will soon (I hope) eventually be able to list what combination of ABE and other exams will earn a Charter Oak degree. In the meantime I'll ask the other US universities who accept ABE exams what their own requirements are to complete a Bachelor level degree.

 

Take a look at thier website, where you will find some UK universites who have apparently made a deal or accept the abe QUALIFICATION AS AN EQUIVALENT OF 2 YEARS OF STUDY.

I do not know all these universites but they appear to be legit.

I have send an email to see how it works.

 

Could you please let us know which UK universities have explicitly stated that they accept ABE examinations as the equivalent of 2 years of study? Also, could you please indicate, where, on any of the ABE’s Web pages, that information is so delineated?

The closest approximation to any such statement on an ABE Web site states the following:

• This page contains details of Universities and other Professional Institutes who have considered applications from qualified ABE students for admission to their degree programmes and professional qualifications, and where appropriate, for the award of credits on these programmes.

In other words, the farthest the ABE is willing to go out on a limb is to officially claim that the listed institutions have considered applications from students with ABE qualifications. What’s the point? Their vague, evasive, and purposely misleading language borders on the ludicrous.

Needless to say, they do have the sound judgment to follow this up with the following:

• Students should apply direct to the University / Professional Institute of their choice with full details of their ABE qualifications. Of course, Universities and Professional Institutes have their own admission procedures and ABE cannot guarantee admission to a particular University or Institute.

Let me see if I get this straight. The ABE does not provide any assurance that the listed institutions will accept someone or even that they will accept the ABE examinations for transfer credit. The most the ABE is willing to state is that the listed institutions have considered applications from other individuals who have passed ABE examinations. Wow! (Why is it that I am not impressed? )

Once again, I do not doubt the legitimacy of the ABE examinations, but the verbiage of their marketing materials (not to mention those shilling for them on this forum) is certainly millish.

 

I'd rather see this information on the websites of universities that will give credit for ABE exams.

Some examples from schools that give credit for Thomas Edison (TECEP), Excelsior College (ECE) and other proficiency exams: Charter Oak, Empire State College, Georgian Court College, Bucks County Community College

 

There’s a Mailboxes Etc. located at Fox Farm Rd. and Hwy. 89 in Great Falls, Montana. We could start a campus there....

 

Gus, you are a drone with attitude. Do your own research. Why should I keep bothering to find out answrrs to your questionbs?

I have been through ABE's files. I have visited several colleges who run the ABE exams and then send their students to US and UK universities. ABE are what they say they are.

 

These kinds of comments, sir, do nothing to bolster your credibility.

I have. And it is precisely because my research failed to turn up any substantive evidence to back up your grandiose averments that I politely requested that you provide that evidence yourself. I did not feel my request was unreasonable. I only asked that you tell us where on ABE’s Web site this information could be found. Moreover, it is not my responsibility to do your research for you. You are the one making the claims; you must present the corroborating evidence.

There are two answers to your question. First, you should answer my questions as a manner of courtesy (just as I am answering yours). Civil discourse demands nothing less; otherwise, it could be construed that your posts to this forum are for the purposes of shilling or trolling, and your words constitute nothing more than advertisements or provocative inanities. Second, you should answer my questions because it is in your own self-interest. You have made the same claims repeatedly, provided no verifiable information to back them up, the preponderance of evidence goes contrary to what you are asserting, and you continue to personally attack anyone who has the audacity to simply request more substantiation. You should answer my questions because failure to do so makes you look like a pompous ass.

I have never doubted that the ABE are what they say they are. They do not, however, appear to be what you say they are. The ABE’s own Web site fails to back up your asseverations.

No one doubts that several colleges run ABE exams and then send their students to US and UK universities. Your assertion was that, "A large number of universities, including ones in UK, USA and Australia, accept ABE Advanced Diploma holders into their final Bachelor degree year." This is the same claim you made over four months ago. You were asked to name a single US institution where this is official policy or an articulation agreement exists, and could not. You couldn’t do so four months ago, and, despite all the research you say you have done in the interim, you still can’t.

Dr. Leeman, perhaps you can answer this question. Being that you have such an intimate relationship with the ABE, being that they trust you to the extent of allowing you to examine and even make copies of their files, why is it that, after having been apprised by you of the fraudulent nature of some of the institutions listed on their Web site as having considered applications from students that have taken ABE exams, these institutions are still listed? Could it be that these are the only US institutions to have accepted ABE Advanced Diploma holders into their final Bachelor degree year?