DEAC in Canada - need help ASAP

OK, so I received my evaluation from WES and I actually think they handled it fairly well.

So, bachelors degree, no problem. Let's skip right to the Masters.

There is a line that says "Recognition" for my bachelors, it just says. "Recognized" and for my Masters it says "DEAC accredited see below." Below it indicates that the Canadian equivalent of my degree is a a Masters degree from a non-recognized institution because WES regards only schools accredited by one of the RA bodies as equivalent in Canada.

So, it's a bit more nuanced than the CECE made it sound in the correspondence with Stanislav's friend. For immigration purposes, no great barrier.

Still, it is curious why WES has a preliminary degree checker which cranks out results that contradict this outcome. They didn't have UMT but if you use the degree checker for Ashworth, Rockefeller and Atlantic University (two DEAC and one NYBOR) they all come out with Canadian equivalency. Since WES obviously doesn't maintain that position it is curious that they would specifically list these schools and not give them a negative outcome as a heads up to whomever might be considering immigration with these degrees that they might have a problem. It also seems terribly unfair for NYSBOR schools. As noted earlier, Rockefeller PhDs are well represented in Ivy league medical schools. Maybe they have an exception in place for them.

As for myself, I am going to use this to apply for express entry. One of the reasons I earned the MSM and not the MBA was that I wanted to "save myself" for a good MBA program. Lately I've been toying with the idea of the program at Syracuse University. If I go online maybe I'll go with a Canadian or UK school.

So, WES reports. Not a stellar day for DEAC but WES did, in my opinion, take care not to list my degree as if it were a diploma mill degree.

 

I just want it to be a special experience with a program I truly love.

 

Yeah, WES language is pretty much the same for Ashworth. CECE reaction may reflect their own biases, or simply lack of reading comprehension skills (despite grad degrees and professional memberships) on part of the esteemed Deputy Registrar Laura Sheehan and her staff.
I wish you well in the immigration bid. If you end up in Toronto, maybe you could consider U. of T. for MBA? It is world-class and have convenient evening options. OTOH, it is very expensive.

 

Also, I take credit for WES' use of using "DEAC" acronym instead of "DETC". You're welcome.

 

I don't know what our Canadian subsidiary's policy on tuition reimbursement is. I also don't know that I want to push my MBA start that far down the road. Syracuse is pretty high on my list right now largely because it's nearby, I have tuition assistance that would cover most of it and I might actually be able to take courses in a hybrid format.

That aside, WES has its position. If that's it's official position then I imagine anyone with a degree from an ATS, ABHE, TRACS, ACICS, NYSBOR school is getting the same verbiage (unless, of course, the school has dual accreditation with an RA). I don't feel like I'm going to be disadvantaged in the express entry process. And, if I don't get that job with our subsidiary, it's all kind of a moot point anyway.

 

Excellent choice. Many Canadians would adamantly insist that UofT is so much better than Syracuse. They would be, at best, overstating their case. I don't feel UofT is worth the big bucks compared to Syracuse, unless you are specifically angling for a high-flying career in finance on Bay Street.

Fair points. I think you ought to do well in Express Entry; you are a model immigrant for the category. Good luck!

 

Indeed so. At least it will be, as Stanislav says, low-grade. Far worse is the prospect of working here and getting paid in Canadian Dollars! "Dollarette" down below 74 cents U.S. today. Avoid that fate if at all possible! Hopefully, some day, the Cdn. Dollar might get back up on its knees. :smile:

J.

 

A good frond who had DEAC accredited BSc degree, was able to convert it to fully recognized BSc degree in Canada.
It took 3 countries in the process and additional 8 months.
Unlike the originator of this post, he had no RA BS degree to fall on and didn't want to study additional years repeating what he already learned, not mentioning the additional cost.

 

Another option would be to spend that time earning an RA masters at a school that allows you to use an NA degrees for graduate admission. Yeah, your Canadian WES report will still list your bachelors as unrecognized (with caveats) but you'll have a recognized masters in top of it.

In either case, I'm curious what your friend did because I doubt he actually "converted it." WES doesn't make your US degree Canadian, it simply provides an opinion, to the government and prospective employers, as to how your degree stacks up against Canadian degrees. A simple LinkedIn search reveals there are a number of Canadian professionals (currently working in Canada) who have a smattering of NA credentials. So, like the US, it just depends upon what degree you are using and how you intend to use it.

Consider that Stanislav's friend had her associates degree considered to be a "diploma" from an unrecognized school. Mine, at a minimum, came across as a Masters they just danced around the whole DEAC issue. Her associates degree didn't get converted into a diploma. WES shared an opinion about it. The irony, of course, is that some far flung country with a more streamlined accreditation process would likely have its college degrees recognized as Canadian (or RA) degrees on the spot even though many of those places, if we looked at them objectively, wouldn't even stack up against an NA degree, in some situations.

 

Update

My friend's lawyer filed a Notice of Appeal in the Divisional Court. The dreaded saga continues...

 

Why do you keep wasting your time?

 

Stanislav is reporting on something happening. I fail to see how that is a waste of time (any more than the rest of us).

As to why his friend is "wasting" her time it sounds like her career is sort of hanging in the balance while this is tied up.

At the end of the day, if the CECE simply had a policy that said "No DEAC degrees" I imagine a lot of people would just walk away. But, their requirement (as far as Stanislav reports) is that the degree needs to be awarded by a university authorized to award said degree in its home jurisdiction which an Ashworth degree is.

Let's take away your livelihood and see if you just throw up your hands and say "Oh well, I had a good run" or if you try to put up a fight.

 

It most certainly is a waste of time. How long has this process been going on? For a long period of time.

The CECE is correct in denying this degree from Ashworth. It isn't regionally accredited so it doesn't get approved. It's as simple as that.

As far as me giving up on my livelihood I have done so, and when I did I changed careers and have made a better living. Perhaps you should stop being chickensh** and grow some maturity.

 

Why such hostility? Surely it's unnecessary.

 

Can we talk?

 

What hostility...and stop calling me Shirley....

 

Roger, Roger.

 

My company has a policy that it will pay for any degree from a school accredited by a USDOE recognized accreditor and such degrees are "recognized" by the company for all purposes of hiring, promotions etc. That's our rule but once it's written down in policy we're bound by it. If an applicant with a degree from ITT Tech came in and I said "Sorry, dude, I don't like ITT Tech so go pound pavement" I would be in violation of my company's policies. Now, we can argue that ITT Tech deserves to not be recognized and that I'm really sparing my company a lot of heartache. But it simply isn't the policy.

Here, Stanislav provided the policy. It doesn't say that a US program has to be RA, it only says that the degree has to be awarded by a school authorized in its home country to award degrees. If they wanted to require RA, all they had to do was include it in the policy. You're talking about Ontario. It certainly wouldn't be the first time that a provincial regulatory body included special provisions for US education apart from their guidelines for all international applicants. There is a significant amount of cooperation between Ontario and New York, for example, when it comes to law enforcement to the point where, in many ways, crossing between Ontario and New York is not even like moving between two countries.

CECE's policy, as written, would allow for any USDOE accredited program to work. If they only want RA then they can change that policy. Until then they should follow their policy.

Oh, so let's just fire everyone and prohibit them from returning to their old industries. Since your situation is indicative of everyone's future success I'm sure the world will be better off, right?

I think you need to look up the word "maturity" and really give your present behavior a good think.

 

Usually this is not that simple.

There are managers who will not hire ITT or other non RA and ABET degree for the Engineering department, yet in the same company the IT department, the Telecom department will hire and hires such graduates.

So it all depends on the requirements for specific job.
And I know that a coworker who is an excellent engineer with many years of experience has a degree in Music .
So it is employers decisions. A colleague with number of years of service in US AF and Grantham degree , upon graduation from Grantham was promoted to staff Engineer.
But again the R&D and Engineering majority of the cases reject candidates with non ABET accredited or similar foreign degreed candidates.