18 Credits in 7 days

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  1. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    I earned 18 credits in 7 days. It was easy to pass the following DANTES exams will little to no preparation-

    Organizational Behavior 09-09-02 (have a BS from Cal Coast )
    Tech Writing 09-09-02 (no preparation)
    Intro to Business 09-09-02 (have a BS from Cal Coast )
    Intro to Computing 09-04-02 (have an MCSE)
    Human Resource Mgmt 09-04-02 (have a BS from Cal Coast )
    Envir and Humanity 09-04-02 (no preparation)

    I could have passed all the tests in 2 days but I could not get back to the testing center that fast. I think these tests could all be passed with very little effort and preparation. This puts me within 15 credits of my BS from COSC.
    Thanks to everyone for the information provided on the site.
     
  2. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Congratulations! Keep on plugging away, the time will fly by.


    Bruce
     
  3. Dude

    Dude New Member

    Great job! Keep up the good work!
     
  4. RJT

    RJT New Member

    A Tribute to the fine education you gained at CCU.
     
  5. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Perhaps, but on the other hand it wouldn't even have been necessary if instead of CCU an RA school had been attended instead in the first place. You see when getting a credential a person typically will want one with the maximum utility. It is usually much easier and more straight forward to get an education and a useful credential at the same time.
     
  6. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    If it was such a "fine education", then please explain why Randell is doing it all over again at an RA school?????


    Bruce
     
  7. Ee

    Ee New Member

    Perhaps to tell the pro RA guys that CCU does have quality and need not necessary be RA ;)

    Doing it all over to show that quality of CCU learning is as good as or equates RA ;) Not necessary that only RA gives you quality learning, well state approved school CCU does to.

    From a positive perspective towards non RA schools.
     
  8. RJT

    RJT New Member

    CCU Academic Usefullness

    For those that doubt the usefulness, please note below that readily list their earned degrees:


    CCU Successes:

    John Alexander, Spelman College: http://www.spelman.edu/registrar/catalog/faculty.pdf. Also http://www.spelman.edu/math/alexander.html

    George Andrea, Baltimore: http://www.ubalt.edu/hsm/hsmfaculty.htm. Also Goucher: http://www.goucher.edu/people/people_faculty.cfm

    Edward Sanders, Chicago State: http://www.csu.edu/catalogs/undergraduate/DeanFacDir440-450.pdf

    James Wingfield, Illinois Inst. Tech. (adjunct): http://www.grad.iit.edu/graduatecollege/programs/mmae.html

    Dolores McNany, Caldwell (lecturer): http://www.caldwell.edu/pdfs/staff.pdf. Also http://faculty.caldwell.edu/faculty_adjunct.html

    Marty Ferman, Saint Louis University: http://www.slu.edu/colleges/gr/catalog/admn_faculty/fac.pdf. Also http://www.slu.edu/services/registrar/pdf_2002/administration_and_faculty.pdf

    Martha Adams, U. South Alabama: http://www.southalabama.edu/combulletin3.pdf. Also http://www.fammed.usouthal.edu/faculty/Adams.htm

    Michael Baldigo, Sonoma State: http://www.sonoma.edu/Provost/WASC/portfolio/fac_98-99.html

    William Sink, Golden Gate University: http://www.ggu.edu/admissions/pdf/faculty_01_02.pdf

    Bill Duke, U. North Dakota: http://www.und.edu/dept/registrar/catalogs/YEAR9799/GENINFO/faculty.html

    Kathleen Moore, CSU Sacramento: http://aaweb.csus.edu/catalog/cat98/cat98/580.pdf

    Gerald Ramey, Lewis-Clark: http://www.lcsc.edu/catalog/admin.htm. Also http://www.lcsc.edu/business/Staff/GerryR.htm

    Stephanie Gordon Batalo, Franciscan University of Steubenville: http://www2.franuniv.edu/news/archive.shtm

    Robert Naud, School of Visual Arts (continuing ed.): http://www.schoolofvisualarts.edu/ContinuingED/images/ContinuingEducationBulletin.pdf

    George Cherubini, NYU (adjunct): http://www2.scps.nyu.edu/dyncon/mcge/gene_facu_a_to.html

    Richard Burmeister, U. Alaska Fairbanks: http://www.uaf.edu/educ/faculty.html

    Fleet Maull, Naropa: http://www.naropa.edu/environmentalleadership/environleadfac.html

    Marlene Palazzo, Seattle Central Community College: http://www.seattlecolleges.com/people/default.asp?page=central

    Judy Vargo, Loma Linda: http://www.llu.edu/llu/sph/bulletin/schadminfac.htm

    William Nykiel, Lethbridge: http://home.uleth.ca/reg/1997-98/calendar/part16.pdf

    Joyce Bishop, Golden West College: http://www.prenhall.com/success/FacultyRes/bios.html

    Mary Sue Thompson, Missouri Baptist University: http://www.mobap.edu/academics/catalog/00-03/collegeDirectory.pdf

    George Thomas, George Mason University: http://www.gmu.edu/catalog/admin/t.html

    John Burruel, Morrison University (ACICS): http://www.morrison.edu/faculty.htm

    F.R. Bosch, Vanguard U. of So. Cal: http://www.vanguard.edu/business/index.cfm?doc_id=38

    Joseph Howells, Western Connecticut State: http://vax.wcsu.edu/physics/faculty.html

    Walter Hewick, Bowie State: http://www.bowiestate.edu/psyc-faculty.htm

    James Dauer, Columbia College (Chicago): http://www.colum.edu/infodesk/facultylist-d.html

    Susan Barnett, Northwestern State University: http://www.nsula.edu/psych-online/faculty.htm

    David Gurchieck, Montana State (instructor): http://www.msubillings.edu/catalogs/cot/COTch8.html

    Richard Brasefield, Goldey-Beacom: http://goldey.gbc.edu/faculty_staff/teachers.html

    Mitch States, Cal. Poly San Luis Obispo: http://www.cob.calpoly.edu/faculty/FACULTY/fac_states.html

    Bob Erickson, Boise State: http://coen.boisestate.edu/dep/ipt/faculty/BErickson.htm

    Thomas Saunders, Robert Watkins, and Ernest West, Pueblo Community College (part-time): http://www.pcc.cccoes.edu/faculty/ptinst3.htm

    Jasmanda Wu, University of Kansas: http://www.kumc.edu/prevmed/education/faculty.html

    Richard Slovacek, North Central College: http://www.noctrl.edu/academics/departments/business_administration/department_site/faculty.htm

    Anna Rizzi, Webster University: http://www.webster.edu/kc/faculty.htm

    William Carter, Benjamin Franklin Institute of Technology: http://www.bfit.edu/pages/academics/faculty.html

    Rafael Clemente Ortega, King College: http://www.king.edu/publicrelations/archive/2000/082500.htm

    Deanna Sutton, University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio: http://pathology.uthscsa.edu/faculty/sutton.htm

    Frank Bingham, Bryant College: http://www.bryant.edu/facultyprofile/bingham_frank.htm

    Richard Carmichael, Lenoir-Rhyne: http://www.lrc.edu/bus/carmichael/dick_carmichael.htm

    William Bilyeu, Cumberland University (adjunct): http://www.cumberland.edu/academics/catalog/2000-2001/F00x.1DirectoryforCatalog8.8.html

    Debbie Frymoyer, Amarillo College: http://archives.actx.edu/pdf/minutes/regents/9-25-01.pdf

    John Collins, Seton Hall: http://pirate.shu.edu/~collinjo/prof/resume.htm

    Donald Cowick, Our Lady of the Lake College (adjunct): http://www.ololcollege.edu/academics/about_us.html. (He's interesting because he got an undergrad degree at CCU then went to Louisiana State University and obtained an MD.)

    Jeffrey Maddux, St. Petersburg College (curriculum designer): http://www.spjc.edu/webcentral/catalog/catalog247-.pdf

    Gerald Burgess, Georgia Tech: http://www.ettc.asurams.edu/Homepage/Dr_B_Portfolio/Resume.htm

    Jennifer Humphries-Spencer, Ashland University: http://www.ashland.edu/colleges/education/educf.html


    :eek:
     
  9. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    Re: CCU Academic Usefullness

    RJ, RJ

    You coninue to use smoke and mirrors to prove false ideas. I truly think you missed your calling-SALES! But wait a moment, perhaps you really are in sales and not the other story you posted. Just because someone is hired based on a legitimate BA or MA then earns a non-legitimate Ph.D. does not lend any support to that non-legitimate Ph.D. But, you already knew that I am sure.:)
     
  10. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: CCU Academic Usefullness

    I checked a few and noticed that fact myself. So thanks Dave for saving me the hassle of checking a few more.

    RJT, it has been pointed out many times that the utility of an unaccredited degree is minimal. An excellent example of the minimal nature of its utility is that people did not need the degree to do the job that they're doing. This is a significantly different situation from the one that you're in and the one that you seem to push. The situation that you're in is significantly different for two reasons.

    1. Your only degree is unaccredited.
    2. Your only degree is from K-W which is a degree mill. It is places like K-W that hurts the reputation of real unaccredited schools like CCU. It is because places like K-W (and worse) existing that make it so important to go with an RA degree.

    A more interesting list would be one like you posted for CCU but for for K-W instead. When I did a search in Google I didn't seem to find any entries for such a list?
     
  11. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    The point of my post was to share my excitment and show others that you can earn a semester of credits in a week. I am not stating that CCU was responsible for me pasting the test ( I am not saying that they were not).

    If I said I pasted a test without any study BUT did pass a CCU class on the same subject, I would have been dishonest.

    I am doing it over again because I do not want ANY limitations on my degree.
     
  12. Myoptimism

    Myoptimism New Member

    Re: Re: Re: CCU Academic Usefullness

    Bill, an unaccredited degree has minimal utility? People did not need the degree to do the job they are doing?

    Although, in principal, I agree with you; let's combine the two statements. When we do that, we find people who did need a degree for their job. I believe that the corporate world for the most part has very different dynamics than the academic world. This distinction is important for the fact that the data we are talking about is focused on academia.

    However,with some of your statements, you are not helping yourself here RJT.

    Tony
     
  13. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    Hi Tony

    I guess I fail to understand your point. The qoute from Bill's post seems dead accurate. To 99% of the population an unaccredited program is the same thing as a degree mill program. You can kind of skirt the issue by saying it is state approved and ignore the unaccredited factor. To some one who is more familiar with the program it will still be a degree mill or "near degree mill" program. Accreditation is the minimal standard anyone should expect or accept and I think it is the reality that at least some want to ignore.
     
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  14. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Congratulations Randell! I appreciate all that you said and apologize for not acknowledging it earlier.

    I guess your thread got caught up in the continuing campaign by RJT to try and sermonize on the glorious wonders of unaccredited degrees in general and on Kennedy-Western degrees in particular. CCU is one of the best unaccredited general education schools in existance and to RJT your thread seemed to prove how great unaccredited schools are but to me exemplified the restricted utility because you felt the need to take the DANTES in the first place in order to convert your CCU education into a RA credential.

    What these two opposite views of the same information really means is that people can be very interesting.
     
  15. Ee

    Ee New Member

     
  16. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    Ee

    You come surprisingly like RJT.

    "It is incorrect to allege that "an unaccredited program is the same thing as a degree mill program."

    Correct. It is however the next thing to a degree mill program. It is so close there is probably little meaningful difference. To 99% of the public an unaccredited degree is a degree mill degree. To think otherwise is to ignore reality. With all of the low cost RA programs out there, we have yet to hear a valid reason for choosing an unaccredited degree over an accredited one.

    "Do you have regard for laws? State laws?"

    Yes. The issue, however, is the validity of unaccredited degrees, especially from subpar businesses that have chosen to remain unaccredited because they are unable to meet minimal standards. Being state licensed means little. As someone has already pointed out, some of the biggest degree mills of all time have been state licensed.

    "Oops, just that familarity breeds comtempt wondering who are the familiar persons that share this statement?"

    Your point here is rather unclear. Perhaps one of the better unaccredited programs is CCU. According to students enrolled there even the graduate level courses consist of reading one textbook and taking an unproctored open book multiple choice test. This is NOT college level work. It is so close to degree mill behavior to be fair to classify as a degree mill.

    "Reality? Reality is many state approved graduates are doing great and time bombs cannot seemed to be detonated against them. Who defines minimal standard by law?"

    There are numerous examples of state licenced degrees being both time bombs and costing there graduates dearly in employment opportunities, cash, and lost time. I can think of probably no case were the standard unaccredited schools (CCU, K-W, etc) are an appropriate choice. As Bill has pointed out there are some very unusual unaccredited schools (in Budhhism, Flight Instruction, etc) that make sense for a very select group of people. Again, we have yet to hear a good reason to choose one of the standard unaccredited schools. There are almost always better, cheaper, higher quality RA choices.
     
  17. RJT

    RJT New Member

    Lunacy

    David:

    For your information the K-W tests are proctored, or you take them on lin and they are timed. Therefore, even with an open-book option, to complete 75-100 questions in two hours, without knowing the subject is difficult. I think that this is NOT the behavior of a degree mill.

    As far as CCU degrees being meaningless, review the list of academic successess, and you will find there is a listing of a CCU BS Degree holder, who leveraged an MD.

    How are you and Bill epert enough to calssify unaccrdited but stste leagal schools as bing nominal or mills? Bill, how do you know that Fairfax is not one of the acceptions of SL good schools? I trust the state law makers of this great country to establish the standards for SL/SA post secondary educational institutions. CCU, K-W, SCUPS, Fairfax meet these stanards, so like it or not -- they are just as valid as RA schools. If an employer chooses not to recognize the value of a school that is meeting sthe standards of a state within the US, so be it. But to classify all schools that are legally operating within a state, but, choose to remain non-RA, as mills, is sheer lunacy.
     
  18. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Re: Lunacy

    Was the B.Sc gained after the MD? or before? I once checked the same guy and it seems he did it afer for personal satisfaction.

    Most the CCU degree holders that are in academia work as part time faculty. Most of the universities only require a master's to teach as an adjunct. So many of these academics are just using the CCU credential to be called Dr by their peers.

    CCU or KW, or many unaccredited degrees are useful if someone wants to increase his knowledge. Most of these people took the unaccredited path because there wasn't another option. But today with the advent of the internet there is no excuse.

    If you are happy with your KW degree and want to go for your PhD at PWU or CCU is your choice. But don't say is a good as going to a reputable institution. A K-W can be earned in one year part time, the complete package B.Sc, MBA and DBA may be in three years part time. I'm sorry, but it would be ridiculous to say that three years part time can be as effective as 10 years full time.
     
  19. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    Re: Lunacy

    Hi RJT

    Once again you are demonstrating your sales ability, but are using logical falacies to prove points that are not true.

    Unaccredited state licensed programs are for the most part substandard, not accepted accademically at all, and likely total, or at least mostly, unaccepted in the business world as well. As far your "list" goes please see my previous post that addressed that issue. As for K-W, it has already been pointed out that it is illegal in some states, keeps moving to excape legal enforcement, and is in general substandard. Sounds like a degree mill to me.

    P.S. It is expert, state, licensed, being, and exceptions. Good luck in your post graduate studies.
     
  20. Myoptimism

    Myoptimism New Member


    seems dead accurate. To 99% of the population an unaccredited program is the same thing as a degree mill program. You can kind of skirt the issue by saying it is state approved and ignore the unaccredited factor. To some one who is more familiar with the program it will still be a degree mill or "near degree mill" program. Accreditation is the minimal standard anyone should expect or accept and I think it is the reality that at least some want to ignore.
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    Sorry for my confusing sentences, it was getting late. :D I was questioning the assertion about not needing the degree to do the job. I admit I have no idea about the percentages, but there is some proof that this statement is much too broad.

    Tony
     

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